Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Enchanted Trinkets Complete--a hardcover book containing over 500 magic items for your D&D games!

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Einlanzer0" data-source="post: 6874462" data-attributes="member: 6788934">It isn't multiplicative, because crits don't affect damage modifiers, only die rolls. Moreover, the changes to the other stats make them competitive, and most people are not min/maxers anyway. Furthermore, the math is much more nuanced than you let on.The bonus you get from frequent critting starts to outweigh the flat damage bonus you get once you're rolling two or three dice for an attack. Because of this, a dex-based rogue is very likely to outdamage a str-based rogue, and strength, though still of some benefit, is fairly nominal to a rogue. The opposite is true of the fighter. This is the intent of the new system. It creates caveats in the rules where Str and Dex aren't completely interchangeable but instead both offer different strategic value. The value of Str/Tha increases with the number of individual attacks you make in a round (as your example shows), while the value of Dex increases with the power of those attacks. Yeah, it may not be possible to have an effective Fighter that completely dumps Str in favor of Dex, and that's sort of intended, the same way that Str-based rogues aren't terribly effective in RAW. However, a fighter who desires proficiency with light weapons or archery can make good use of a hybrid build. And it makes sense to require this, since Fighters don't need as much Con or Agi as other classes to compensate for their deficits. A dex based Champion with moderately high str is going to be particularly effective since their crit bonus stacks with Dex and they will be critting a lot. I'm not saying it's perfect as I've written it here, because it hasn't been playtested, and I'm sure I'll have to make adjustments in various areas. But, I am certain that it's a workable concept that is more interesting than the Raw rules, and math is unlikely to convince me otherwise. It may just expose things I need to flesh out more, which is really what I'm asking for.edit: the reason I'm trying to make this work is because I want str and dex to be able to supplement each other rather than just being interchangeable based on the weapon you're using. I'm going to keep refining this to see if I can make it work and will post some theoretical examples shortly. The fighter is the biggest problem, since they make numerous attacks per round and never have attacks that use more than one die roll.  Since I don't like them getting 4 attacks per round anyway (it really should be 3), I'll likely change their level 11 extra attack to a critical hit feature of some kind, something like this:Combat Expertise When you land a critical hit, you can add your Dexterity modifier to the total damage.This also works a buff for the Champion, which is arguably needed. Then again, maybe the proper solution is to just change the nature of critical hits in this way rather than getting into modifying class features (although I'd still probably need to tweak Sneak Attack so it didn't become overtly OP). I.e. you can add your Dex bonus to the damage rolled on a critical hit. This would be a buff for critical hits, but is more significant with fewer die rolls, so it would help balance the scaling of critical hits. But, I want to emphasize again that having a high Dex is not meant to enable you to dump Str any more than a caster can dump Tha, with Rogue really being the only possible exception. Most classes will have at least moderately high Str or Tha, with Dex working as a supporting stat. While I want Dex-based fighters/rangers/barbs/whatever to be functional, they should really never consider Str a dump stat.</blockquote>

Verification