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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 6347471" data-attributes="member: 23716">I don't think this particular example applies in 5e.&nbsp; If you are not proficient (or have some magic item help) in WIS save, you're pretty much gonna fail that save, regardless of your WIS score, especially at higher levels.&nbsp; Yes a high WIS score will help some, but it seems proficiency bonus is what really matters with saves.I hope this is case, but it really does depend on the monster math.&nbsp; If bumping your stat is the difference between hitting on a 6 or a 7, then yeah, people might not put that much emphasis on maxing out stats.&nbsp; But if it means hitting on a 15 vs a 16, people are going to want to pump that stat as high as possible.&nbsp; I think it will be a fine line to walk, and even if they mostly &quot;get it right&quot; there will always be the occasional dramatic conflict against that super tough high-AC opponent that is just going to favor the stat booster.&nbsp; I don't see how stat pumping will not allow one to 'swing outside their weight class' at least occasionally.&nbsp; I suppose how much this will matter depends on how much the DM throws higher level/tougher monsters at the party.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 6347471, member: 23716"] I don't think this particular example applies in 5e. If you are not [I]proficient [/I](or have some magic item help) in WIS save, you're pretty much gonna fail that save, regardless of your WIS score, especially at higher levels. Yes a high WIS score will help some, but it seems proficiency bonus is what really matters with saves. I hope this is case, but it really does depend on the monster math. If bumping your stat is the difference between hitting on a 6 or a 7, then yeah, people might not put that much emphasis on maxing out stats. But if it means hitting on a 15 vs a 16, people are going to want to pump that stat as high as possible. I think it will be a fine line to walk, and even if they mostly "get it right" there will always be the occasional dramatic conflict against that super tough high-AC opponent that is just going to favor the stat booster. I don't see how stat pumping will not allow one to 'swing outside their weight class' at least occasionally. I suppose how much this will matter depends on how much the DM throws higher level/tougher monsters at the party. [/QUOTE]

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