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<blockquote data-quote="Crothian" data-source="post: 2178236" data-attributes="member: 232">Both, a DM's job is to put obsitcles and encounters.&nbsp; Some of these are a pain for the PCs; some literlayy like when they get hurt, some not literal like when the run into other roadblocks.&nbsp; Unless of course it is assumed in the games that the PCs will always win no matter what.&nbsp; IF it is that type of game then nevermind.But you can enforce them to role play it correctly.&nbsp; And the reaction doesn't happen all the time.&nbsp; It just should be established that people tend to react worse towards the 8 Charisma character then the 18.&nbsp; [quoteI don't blame people for dumping charisma because if you aren't going to be a social PC, you dont need it. That isn't my fault as a DM (and yes I could create some 'roleplaying' to hinder such characters), it is a fault of the system. If you aren't a bard, cleric, paladin, or sorcerer and you don't want to pick up social skills - Charisma makes the most sense as a dump stat. And, besides cleric, those are some of the rarest PCs I see...</blockquote>Don't blame the system.,&nbsp; There are rules there that you are not enforcing.&nbsp; Either the players aren't role plying it right or you are just letting all PCs act to them like they are all the same.&nbsp; Charisma is well defined in the book, has plenty of skills associated with it, and players can only get away with using it as a dump stat when DMs refuse to use the skills and other things associated with it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Crothian, post: 2178236, member: 232"] Both, a DM's job is to put obsitcles and encounters. Some of these are a pain for the PCs; some literlayy like when they get hurt, some not literal like when the run into other roadblocks. Unless of course it is assumed in the games that the PCs will always win no matter what. IF it is that type of game then nevermind. But you can enforce them to role play it correctly. And the reaction doesn't happen all the time. It just should be established that people tend to react worse towards the 8 Charisma character then the 18. [quoteI don't blame people for dumping charisma because if you aren't going to be a social PC, you dont need it. That isn't my fault as a DM (and yes I could create some 'roleplaying' to hinder such characters), it is a fault of the system. If you aren't a bard, cleric, paladin, or sorcerer and you don't want to pick up social skills - Charisma makes the most sense as a dump stat. And, besides cleric, those are some of the rarest PCs I see...[/quote] Don't blame the system., There are rules there that you are not enforcing. Either the players aren't role plying it right or you are just letting all PCs act to them like they are all the same. Charisma is well defined in the book, has plenty of skills associated with it, and players can only get away with using it as a dump stat when DMs refuse to use the skills and other things associated with it. [/QUOTE]

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