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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5775307" data-attributes="member: 54877">Assuming there are ways for the stats to go back up, you could tie other stat loss to the nasty effects that have gradually been diminished in 4E. Suffer the equivalent of "level loss" from wraiths, run the risk of being down a point of a random stat. Maybe system shock from getting unpetrified can mess up your Cha more than your Con? I wouldn't want to play with that kind of system, because I find it just compounds the randomness of early stat generation even more, unless you get generous with the boosts. And if they are all going to cancel out, why bother? But a stat damage system tied to a wide range of effects would be a great edition to turn on for grit, for those that wanted it.  There is a shelf life for every character, and once you get knocked around enough, you wear down permanently.</blockquote>