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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 5813156" data-attributes="member: 6688937"><p>First off, let me say that I think there is about zero chance that the six change.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't have a problem with them as a starting point for the kind of simulation D&D kinda grew into, but I'm not sure they work as the basis for all skill checks. There's overlap/confuddlement with:</p><p></p><p>Strength as the base for both raw power and Athletic tests.</p><p></p><p>Dexterity counting for Agility and Fine Motor Skills (some can be shifted to Int, I suppose.)</p><p></p><p>Wisdom also counting for Perception</p><p></p><p>My favorite little indie game out there <a href="http://www.oldschoolhack.net/" target="_blank">Old School Hack</a> uses a pretty good set for this new purpose:</p><p></p><p>Brawn - sheer size, encumbrance, physical intimidation</p><p>Cunning - sneaky stuff, trickery</p><p>Daring - buckling swashes, courage</p><p>Charm - ability to inspire or sway others to see your way, social grace</p><p>Commitment - devotion and intensity, shaking off influence</p><p>Awareness - alertness and perception, reflexes, reading between the lines</p><p></p><p>Again, I have little hope of seeing this in the core.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hard to say without the rest of the mechanics. I would imagine the relationships wouldn't change beyond the obvious. I think the point of ability scores is to give a quick snapshot of the character's capabilities.</p><p></p><p>I know it may sound crazy, but I'm in favor of divorcing ability scores and combat stats. Give all that to the classes, and then you don't have to worry if you've maxed out your primes. Eliminate that little balancing act.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On a scale of 1 to 10, I think Ability scores should come in about a 2. Class, race, and background should do most of it, but ability scores can differentiate between two similar characters a bit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 5813156, member: 6688937"] First off, let me say that I think there is about zero chance that the six change. I don't have a problem with them as a starting point for the kind of simulation D&D kinda grew into, but I'm not sure they work as the basis for all skill checks. There's overlap/confuddlement with: Strength as the base for both raw power and Athletic tests. Dexterity counting for Agility and Fine Motor Skills (some can be shifted to Int, I suppose.) Wisdom also counting for Perception My favorite little indie game out there [url=http://www.oldschoolhack.net/]Old School Hack[/url] uses a pretty good set for this new purpose: Brawn - sheer size, encumbrance, physical intimidation Cunning - sneaky stuff, trickery Daring - buckling swashes, courage Charm - ability to inspire or sway others to see your way, social grace Commitment - devotion and intensity, shaking off influence Awareness - alertness and perception, reflexes, reading between the lines Again, I have little hope of seeing this in the core. Hard to say without the rest of the mechanics. I would imagine the relationships wouldn't change beyond the obvious. I think the point of ability scores is to give a quick snapshot of the character's capabilities. I know it may sound crazy, but I'm in favor of divorcing ability scores and combat stats. Give all that to the classes, and then you don't have to worry if you've maxed out your primes. Eliminate that little balancing act. On a scale of 1 to 10, I think Ability scores should come in about a 2. Class, race, and background should do most of it, but ability scores can differentiate between two similar characters a bit. [/QUOTE]
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