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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Doug McCrae" data-source="post: 5925818" data-attributes="member: 21169">2e's bonuses/penalties for high/low attributes can be the same as, or even in many cases more extreme than, those in d20 D&D.18 dexterity grants a +4 bonus to AC in both systems. 18 wisdom grants +4 to saving throws in both. A 2e cleric with 18 wisdom gets 6 bonus spells. A d20 cleric gets 4. 18 constitution grants +4 hit points in both systems. In 2e, 18 con allows a 99% chance to survive system shock, 7 con is only 55%, a 44% variation. 18 intelligence grants 7 bonus languages in 2e, only 4 in d20. Wizards in 2e get a lot more for high intelligence than they do in d20, for example an 18 int means an 85% chance to know spells, but it's just 35% for a 9 int, a 50% swing. The bonuses for high charisma are also massive, for example +7 reaction adjustment for an 18 charisma versus +0 at 12.</blockquote>