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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 7549091" data-attributes="member: 23716">No question that Illusion requires more adjudication, but that is partially WOTC fault.&nbsp; I see a lot of complaints online about DMs that &quot;nerf&quot; illusions; and while I have no doubt that is certainly true in many cases, I also see a lot online about with so-called Illusionists decrying that they are not allowed to use minor illusion or such to &quot;win&quot; D&amp;D.&nbsp; A careful reading of the spell in question, combined with a comparison to other affects of the level can reveal that the 'creative' use of the spell was beyond the effects described in the spell description.&nbsp; I've found that using illusions subtly to enhance or tweak the situation is usually met with more DM acceptance than trying to outright dominate the encounter with it. On the other side, I've never seen it even implied that you are supposed to know exactly what spell is being cast at what level for counterspell; it has always involved some risk.&nbsp; This has been clarified in Sage Advice and Xanthanar's.&nbsp; Can you get a &quot;Bad&quot; DM, who, when faced with a PC counterspell, meta-games and says: &quot;oh, he was just casting the Ray of Frost cantrip?&quot;&nbsp; Sure, but that's just blatant DM cheating.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 7549091, member: 23716"] No question that Illusion requires more adjudication, but that is partially WOTC fault. I see a lot of complaints online about DMs that "nerf" illusions; and while I have no doubt that is certainly true in many cases, I also see a lot online about with so-called Illusionists decrying that they are not allowed to use minor illusion or such to "win" D&D. A careful reading of the spell in question, combined with a comparison to other affects of the level can reveal that the 'creative' use of the spell was beyond the effects described in the spell description. I've found that using illusions subtly to enhance or tweak the situation is usually met with more DM acceptance than trying to outright dominate the encounter with it. On the other side, I've never seen it even implied that you are supposed to know exactly what spell is being cast at what level for counterspell; it has always involved some risk. This has been clarified in Sage Advice and Xanthanar's. Can you get a "Bad" DM, who, when faced with a PC counterspell, meta-games and says: "oh, he was just casting the Ray of Frost cantrip?" Sure, but that's just blatant DM cheating. [/QUOTE]

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