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<blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 6300444" data-attributes="member: 2167"><p>Looking at the Mage Armor spell just confuses things more, not to mention supports my theory as it specifically states that as a <em>Create Force</em> spell under cost = <em>"2 MP <strong>elemental object</strong>, 1 MP duration"</em> for a total cost of 3MP, which gets you 250gc worth of material. Now looking at Armor, 250gc gets you Chainmail which is SOAK 8. However, the spell only gives "Chain Shirt SOAK 4" which is the equivalent of Hide Armor. Even if you only used 2MP to cast the spell, you'd have 50gc worth of material or Studded Leather SOAK 6.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, now this is not how I read it.</p><p><em>"A 0 MP Abjure spell grants <strong>one of the following</strong>: +2 DEFENSE or MENTAL DEFENSE; or 2 SOAK against a specific damage type."</em> </p><p></p><p>So breaking it out by the structure of the entry it is saying...</p><p><em>"A 0 MP Abjure spell grants one of the following:</em></p><p><em>* +2 DEFENSE or MENTAL DEFENSE</em></p><p><em>* 2 SOAK against a specific damage type"</em></p><p></p><p>Not...</p><p><em>"A 0 MP Abjure spell grants one of the following:</em></p><p><em>* +2 DEFENSE or MENTAL DEFENSE against a specific damage type</em></p><p><em>* 2 SOAK against a specific damage type"</em></p><p></p><p>So they way I read it is that say <em>Abjure Fire</em> and <em>Abjure Force</em> both grant a +2 Defense bonus, but <em>Abjure Fire</em> can also grants SOAK FIRE 2 and <em>Abjure Force</em> can also grants SOAK FORCE 2.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If my above interpretation of the grammar is correct, this isn't true. SHIELDING and WITHSTANDING can be significant bonuses as well as significant Hexes.</p><p></p><p>BREACHING is much more limited but it's a nice "extra" for whatever element you choose.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, this is an interpretation issue. I don't read <em>HEDGING, NATURE</em> as a specification of the spell list <em>Abjure Nature</em> but as a "Category Heading" in the same way <em>HEDGING, GREATER</em> isn't a spell list either. To my reading, <em>HEDGING, NATURE</em> could or should have been stated as <em>HEDGING, LIVING</em> or <em>HEDGING, MORTAL</em>. It was meant to be a simplification grouping of "Creatures" rather than the singular entry <em>HEDGING, [Creature]</em>.</p><p></p><p>Personally on looking at it further, I'd make this:</p><p>"Hedging, Mortal (2 MP). As above, but it applies to all Person, Beast, and Plant."</p><p>"Hedging, Immortal (3 MP). As above, but it applies to all Undead, Fey, Mechanical and Abomination creatures."</p><p></p><p></p><p>JMHO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khaalis, post: 6300444, member: 2167"] Looking at the Mage Armor spell just confuses things more, not to mention supports my theory as it specifically states that as a [i]Create Force[/i] spell under cost = [i]"2 MP [b]elemental object[/b], 1 MP duration"[/i] for a total cost of 3MP, which gets you 250gc worth of material. Now looking at Armor, 250gc gets you Chainmail which is SOAK 8. However, the spell only gives "Chain Shirt SOAK 4" which is the equivalent of Hide Armor. Even if you only used 2MP to cast the spell, you'd have 50gc worth of material or Studded Leather SOAK 6. See, now this is not how I read it. [i]"A 0 MP Abjure spell grants [b]one of the following[/b]: +2 DEFENSE or MENTAL DEFENSE; or 2 SOAK against a specific damage type."[/i] So breaking it out by the structure of the entry it is saying... [i]"A 0 MP Abjure spell grants one of the following: * +2 DEFENSE or MENTAL DEFENSE * 2 SOAK against a specific damage type"[/i] Not... [i]"A 0 MP Abjure spell grants one of the following: * +2 DEFENSE or MENTAL DEFENSE against a specific damage type * 2 SOAK against a specific damage type"[/i] So they way I read it is that say [i]Abjure Fire[/i] and [i]Abjure Force[/i] both grant a +2 Defense bonus, but [i]Abjure Fire[/i] can also grants SOAK FIRE 2 and [i]Abjure Force[/i] can also grants SOAK FORCE 2. If my above interpretation of the grammar is correct, this isn't true. SHIELDING and WITHSTANDING can be significant bonuses as well as significant Hexes. BREACHING is much more limited but it's a nice "extra" for whatever element you choose. Again, this is an interpretation issue. I don't read [i]HEDGING, NATURE[/i] as a specification of the spell list [i]Abjure Nature[/i] but as a "Category Heading" in the same way [i]HEDGING, GREATER[/i] isn't a spell list either. To my reading, [i]HEDGING, NATURE[/i] could or should have been stated as [i]HEDGING, LIVING[/i] or [i]HEDGING, MORTAL[/i]. It was meant to be a simplification grouping of "Creatures" rather than the singular entry [i]HEDGING, [Creature][/i]. Personally on looking at it further, I'd make this: "Hedging, Mortal (2 MP). As above, but it applies to all Person, Beast, and Plant." "Hedging, Immortal (3 MP). As above, but it applies to all Undead, Fey, Mechanical and Abomination creatures." JMHO. [/QUOTE]
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