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<blockquote data-quote="Yair" data-source="post: 2177208" data-attributes="member: 10913"><p>I haven't played 5th edition, but I have read it. Laslo Tremaine pretty much summed up the changes, I'd just like to add a few points:</p><p></p><p>ArM5 has a far more consistent world, and it looks like its support will be more cohesive. If such things seem valuable to you, especially if you want your PCs to advance at a rate that is consistent with the rest of the world and have a power level that allows reasonable interactions with it, I recommend going to 5. That seems to be its main improvement.</p><p></p><p>ArM5 is, annoyingly, a bit incomplete. Make sure to download the mundane bestiary if you're going to have a Bjornaer (download the errata too while you're at it), and the corrected character sheet. And you would need to invent statistics for a crossbow, should you need some.</p><p></p><p>I really liked the magic system in Ars Magica 3rd Edition. It was Verb (skill)+Noun (skill)+roll=spell level, and that was that. In the 4th Edition, a system for adjucating spell levels was added. In the 5th Edition, this system was extended and complicated further, to the point that now I am no longer certain just how great it is. The alterable base-size-by-Art, specific guidelines, and irregular exceptions make for a somewhat barouque system that can really get complicated. (The new system is simpler in some ways than 4th Edition, but more complicated in others.)</p><p></p><p>It is generally agreed that the 4th Edition combat rules were abysmal. I have no experience with 5th, but I would strongly recommend altering at least some of them if you decide to stay with the free 4th edition.</p><p></p><p>At any rate, Ars Magica is a great game but it's hard to get an ArM game going. Have fun!</p><p></p><p>Yair</p><p></p><p>P.S, ArM5 seems to be accepted gladly by the ArM community on the Ars Magica email list, which tends to include many members who say such things as "the One True Edition is 2nd Edition!", so that's saying something. I guess it says 5th edition is seen as an improvement over 4th. [Of coure, no one is actually PLAYING 2nd edition... it's kind of like Diaglo here - a few old... erg... venerable members of the community. Yeah, that's it.]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yair, post: 2177208, member: 10913"] I haven't played 5th edition, but I have read it. Laslo Tremaine pretty much summed up the changes, I'd just like to add a few points: ArM5 has a far more consistent world, and it looks like its support will be more cohesive. If such things seem valuable to you, especially if you want your PCs to advance at a rate that is consistent with the rest of the world and have a power level that allows reasonable interactions with it, I recommend going to 5. That seems to be its main improvement. ArM5 is, annoyingly, a bit incomplete. Make sure to download the mundane bestiary if you're going to have a Bjornaer (download the errata too while you're at it), and the corrected character sheet. And you would need to invent statistics for a crossbow, should you need some. I really liked the magic system in Ars Magica 3rd Edition. It was Verb (skill)+Noun (skill)+roll=spell level, and that was that. In the 4th Edition, a system for adjucating spell levels was added. In the 5th Edition, this system was extended and complicated further, to the point that now I am no longer certain just how great it is. The alterable base-size-by-Art, specific guidelines, and irregular exceptions make for a somewhat barouque system that can really get complicated. (The new system is simpler in some ways than 4th Edition, but more complicated in others.) It is generally agreed that the 4th Edition combat rules were abysmal. I have no experience with 5th, but I would strongly recommend altering at least some of them if you decide to stay with the free 4th edition. At any rate, Ars Magica is a great game but it's hard to get an ArM game going. Have fun! Yair P.S, ArM5 seems to be accepted gladly by the ArM community on the Ars Magica email list, which tends to include many members who say such things as "the One True Edition is 2nd Edition!", so that's saying something. I guess it says 5th edition is seen as an improvement over 4th. [Of coure, no one is actually PLAYING 2nd edition... it's kind of like Diaglo here - a few old... erg... venerable members of the community. Yeah, that's it.] [/QUOTE]
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