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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The_Magician" data-source="post: 2568698" data-attributes="member: 14978">I will be using the geography of Toril to crete my own world, so it is a planet similar to Earth. Basically, I dont need to be pesky about the math, but I want to have a reference, that's all. If a dragon wants to travel without being spotted from tehn ground, then they cna just go for the higher altitudes. How high should be high enough for them not to be seen? 30,000 feet is the altitude used by airplanes so I think something aroiund that. (when we see airplanes in the sky they are not flying so high)Now, if the ground is actually try to spot a prey of humanoid size, how high can he fly to do that? And from that altitude, how far can he see into the horizon? I know that information is not common knowledge, but seeing as this is a big forum, I am crossing my fingers and hoping someone knwos this. The PHB from 2nd ed has some clues on the matter. It says that on levle ground the horizon is about five to twelve miles away. Under optimum conditions, the maximum range at which a man-sized object can be seen is about 1500 yards, if it is moving.</blockquote>