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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jacen" data-source="post: 3336108" data-attributes="member: 18654">And still I think that my opinion is correct. Even thought I read and even think that I understood your point.  No. NPCs can get a tip that prevents them being surprised. Like noise behind the door or scout who entered the room first and tipped them off, some spy point where they can see outside the door, trying to open the locked door, noise of the armors, failed move silently check. So by stating that I am always prepared to combat time resolution is always round. Hey let's keep the combat on always. Hmmm... If the doors opening fails NPCs are aware. How about the idea the in the room is only a ghost sound spell? So no real enemy. How there can be an combat without an enemy. PCs were aware that there might be someone inside the room, but there wasn't. How there can be a surprise without an enemy to surprise? In my POV combat start only if there is an enemy inside. Yes it is capable to do that. Don't put words on my mouth. Casting is not the surprise. It is something that can prevent the surprise. Surprise is the PC rushing in. If they hear the casting -> no surprise because they know someone is there. If they don't they will be surprised when the PC rushes in -> standard action. Combat starts when there is something to cause the combat like enemy, hostile spell effect etc. Door opens and there is another firendly NPC -> surprised, but not combat. Enemy -> surprise and combat starts. NPCs werent aware of NPC or PC's but combat starts only if it was hostile. Time units can yet be rounds, but it is no combat. So is casting in you POV surprise action? If it is then NPCs get to act before PC rushes in. If it is not then why did you thing that it is in my point of view? So they do in my POV. Combat is not yet started. You didn't have my POV. You only thought something that you thought was my POV. And in my opinion it still makes perfect sense. There might be some problems or errors in how I think this works, but still it makes more sense to me than your thinking. Anyway, now I need to go practice my swordmanship - (steel) longswords (bastard swords) rules.</blockquote>

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