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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3339529" data-attributes="member: 2011">Rules, my friend, rules. Even if you give them auto-surprise (you appear to like to do that) to run to the door, we then roll initiatives (DMG page 25) to see if I get a spell off before they actually open it. They can only get 3 actions before my PC (move to door, open door, move through door) if they beat my initiative.As it turned out for this example, the DM still had us in initiatives because an enemy caster was controlling the PCs, we just did not know that he still had us in initiatives (we kind of suspected). So, the PCs got to move and open the door. End of their turn (the one further away actually went first, so he only got to move up to the door, the distance was not within his normal 30 feet). I then cast a Wall of Force in front of them so that they could not leave on my turn.Nope. You are not following the rules.The rules state that if one side is unaware, the other side gets a surprise round. The DM does not roll initiatives for the unaware side.You made all of this up out of whole cloth. It does not follow the rules.Again, rules my friend, rules. You weaken your other arguments by grasping at invalid straws like this.Consistently breaking the rules, sure. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> I'm glad somebody is confident of your thinking. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Let me ask you one simple question:Two sides: PCs and NPCs.NPCs are aware of PCs. PCs are not aware of NPCs. NPCs plan on ambusing the PCs.An NPC pre-combat does an action that might alert the PCs (e.g. casting a spell, talking, opening a door, lighting a torch, etc.).Do the PCs get a check to notice that the NPC did that action if the action is in hearing and/or sight range of the PCs?This entire argument boils down to this one simple question.</blockquote>

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