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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 2503501" data-attributes="member: 22779">I find the exact opposite.&nbsp; While the CR's of certain creatures may be a bit wonky, by and large, most of my combats see the expected results.&nbsp; If I toss a &quot;typical&quot; encounter against the party, they use roughly that many resources.&nbsp; Then again, this was true in any edition.&nbsp; It's just that now, you have a CR to helps to judge what the party can face and what it can't.Then again, if the DM has the tactical sence of a rubber duck, the CR doesn't mean squat.&nbsp; Look at WOTC's latest &quot;Tactical Review&quot; article.&nbsp; The critter was a joke.&nbsp; It spent five or six rounds not dealing damage and never bothered to gate in lots of cannon fodder.&nbsp; The thread on this board shows how badly the combat was run.CR is only a rough guide.&nbsp; It's not a hard and fast rule.&nbsp; That being said, the farther your party is from the &quot;standard&quot;, the less useful CR is going to be.&nbsp; A party without a cleric is going to have a much harder time with undead.&nbsp; That means the CR for undead is wrong.&nbsp; Does that make CR useless?&nbsp; Of course not.&nbsp; It's a guideline, nothing more.&nbsp; A group with far less than the suggested resources is handicapped against the assumptions made by the RAW.&nbsp; That means you have to adjust for windage when you decide to run a very low item campaign.&nbsp; Can you do this?&nbsp; Of course.&nbsp; Does it have to be done?&nbsp; Again of course.I'm not seeing where the arguement is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 2503501, member: 22779"] I find the exact opposite. While the CR's of certain creatures may be a bit wonky, by and large, most of my combats see the expected results. If I toss a "typical" encounter against the party, they use roughly that many resources. Then again, this was true in any edition. It's just that now, you have a CR to helps to judge what the party can face and what it can't. Then again, if the DM has the tactical sence of a rubber duck, the CR doesn't mean squat. Look at WOTC's latest "Tactical Review" article. The critter was a joke. It spent five or six rounds not dealing damage and never bothered to gate in lots of cannon fodder. The thread on this board shows how badly the combat was run. CR is only a rough guide. It's not a hard and fast rule. That being said, the farther your party is from the "standard", the less useful CR is going to be. A party without a cleric is going to have a much harder time with undead. That means the CR for undead is wrong. Does that make CR useless? Of course not. It's a guideline, nothing more. A group with far less than the suggested resources is handicapped against the assumptions made by the RAW. That means you have to adjust for windage when you decide to run a very low item campaign. Can you do this? Of course. Does it have to be done? Again of course. I'm not seeing where the arguement is. [/QUOTE]

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