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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 2518866" data-attributes="member: 22779">I'm stumped.&nbsp; Everyone's agreeing with me, but saying I'm wrong.&nbsp; :xLook, I've said it all the way along.&nbsp; If you play a DnD campaign with very restricted magic items, you need to modify the spell casting classes as well.&nbsp; If you don't, then the primary spellcasters are going to completely dominate the battlefield, even with very minor magics.&nbsp; Heck, a hold person on the fighter has got a decent chance of success at any fighter level, if he doesn't have any items to help him.&nbsp; How would you like to have to run in terror from a 5th level evil cleric at 15th level?&nbsp; DnD is built around certain basic assumptions.&nbsp; One of those assumptions is that the party will have certain items at certain levels.&nbsp; These aren't exactly long stretches either.&nbsp; They're not wild stabs in the dark.&nbsp; Many campaigns did and do follow that mould.&nbsp; A fighter with a +3 sword at 9th level isn't all that out of line.&nbsp; If you change those assumptions, you have to deal with ALL of the things those assumptions affected.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 2518866, member: 22779"] I'm stumped. Everyone's agreeing with me, but saying I'm wrong. :x Look, I've said it all the way along. If you play a DnD campaign with very restricted magic items, you need to modify the spell casting classes as well. If you don't, then the primary spellcasters are going to completely dominate the battlefield, even with very minor magics. Heck, a hold person on the fighter has got a decent chance of success at any fighter level, if he doesn't have any items to help him. How would you like to have to run in terror from a 5th level evil cleric at 15th level? DnD is built around certain basic assumptions. One of those assumptions is that the party will have certain items at certain levels. These aren't exactly long stretches either. They're not wild stabs in the dark. Many campaigns did and do follow that mould. A fighter with a +3 sword at 9th level isn't all that out of line. If you change those assumptions, you have to deal with ALL of the things those assumptions affected. [/QUOTE]

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