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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pauper" data-source="post: 7393605" data-attributes="member: 17607">I've seen this assertion a few times now in this thread, but haven't seen any real justification for it.In fact, having seen the War Cleric in play, I can suggest exactly the opposite -- the War Cleric is exactly the cleric who wants to cast a spell at the start of combat (Bless, Spiritual Weapon, Spirit Guardians, etc.) and then use the Attack action while that spell is running. It's not that they get huge damage from their weapon attacks or from their spells, but the combination of the two leads to consistent high damage output that remains competitive with other classes throughout the campaign.Not to mention that most of the suggestions to 'upgrade' the War Cleric's abilities take a step toward what was one of the biggest problems in Third Edition, that buffing clerics (particularly buffing clerics with the Divine Metamagic and Persistent Spell feats) were generally better fighters than fighters were.I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to see a more detailed analysis than "the class is generally regarding as lacking compared to other melee-based classes".--Pauper</blockquote>