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<blockquote data-quote="Amrûnril" data-source="post: 6866856" data-attributes="member: 6841183"><p>I’ve been looking at the Conjuration subclass, and it seems odd to me that Wizards can’t learn any creature summoning spells (with the exception of Find Familiar) until they gain access to 4[SUP]th[/SUP] level spells. I understand that there are other types of conjuration spells, and that conjurers are free to use spells from other schools of magic, but an elemental summoning wizard seems to be one of the main archetypes this subclass is intended to support, and it therefore seems strange to be unable to begin moving in this direction until 7[SUP]th[/SUP] level.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, looking at the specific spells in question, it’s difficult to see any balance reason for this limitation. The instant a conjurer does reach level 7 and learn Conjure Minor Elementals, he can summon elementals up to CR2 or up to 8 lower CR elementals, so seems like there could easily be a level 2 or 3 version of this spell summoning a smaller number/CR of elementals. For that matter, a druid can already summon beasts of exactly the same CRs with a level 3 spell (and can do so with a single action instead of taking a full minute). Given that the CR should account for any additional strength or abilities, I’m not sure I see any reason for Conjure Minor Elementals to require a higher level spell (especially given that the full Conjure Elementals spell, going up to CR5 creatures, is only a level 5 spell).</p><p></p><p>My question, essentially, is this: Is the absence of low level summoning spells on the wizard list a deliberate design choice (and if so what was the reasoning behind it?), or was it simply an oversight by the developers (and if so what house rules or homebrew would you consider to fill this gap)?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Amrûnril, post: 6866856, member: 6841183"] I’ve been looking at the Conjuration subclass, and it seems odd to me that Wizards can’t learn any creature summoning spells (with the exception of Find Familiar) until they gain access to 4[SUP]th[/SUP] level spells. I understand that there are other types of conjuration spells, and that conjurers are free to use spells from other schools of magic, but an elemental summoning wizard seems to be one of the main archetypes this subclass is intended to support, and it therefore seems strange to be unable to begin moving in this direction until 7[SUP]th[/SUP] level. Furthermore, looking at the specific spells in question, it’s difficult to see any balance reason for this limitation. The instant a conjurer does reach level 7 and learn Conjure Minor Elementals, he can summon elementals up to CR2 or up to 8 lower CR elementals, so seems like there could easily be a level 2 or 3 version of this spell summoning a smaller number/CR of elementals. For that matter, a druid can already summon beasts of exactly the same CRs with a level 3 spell (and can do so with a single action instead of taking a full minute). Given that the CR should account for any additional strength or abilities, I’m not sure I see any reason for Conjure Minor Elementals to require a higher level spell (especially given that the full Conjure Elementals spell, going up to CR5 creatures, is only a level 5 spell). My question, essentially, is this: Is the absence of low level summoning spells on the wizard list a deliberate design choice (and if so what was the reasoning behind it?), or was it simply an oversight by the developers (and if so what house rules or homebrew would you consider to fill this gap)? [/QUOTE]
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