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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 4012521" data-attributes="member: 1879">One pointy of clarification. I don't have a problem with D&D having abstract combat. If I wanted to track down which metacarpal got broken when my character fumbled while punching a wall I can dig out Morrow Project or Albedo and go to town. I do have a problem with the insistance that the difference between Thornan the Ironballed (a 20th level Barbarian with a 20 con and 250 HP) and Ernie the bakers assistant (Commoner 1, 2 hp) is not actually visible in game and that they look exactly the same when reduced to 0 hp. This inspite of the fact that Ernie can drop himself to 0 hp by grabbing a hot tray, and it takes an elephant a good deal of trampling to do the same to Thornan. Granted at 0 hp they are both standing there looking woozy while a mysterious voice shouts "Finish him!" But a CLW will always bring Ernie right back to full health while it would take an entire temple of clerics working in shifts to fix Thornan's pachydermal abrasions. HP affect too much inside a game world to be waved away as not existing from the viewpoint of those inside that world. And to argue otherwise breaks my suspension of disbelief.I'm not saying HP are realistic, I'm just saying they are real.**In the context of a D&D world, obviously.</blockquote>