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<blockquote data-quote="der_kluge" data-source="post: 2300860" data-attributes="member: 945"><p>In a discussion I was having with a GM about my character, we had a polite disagreement over weapons. The character is a female fighter, and in my mind, lacking a lot of strength (11), she would favor weapons of speed. Putting myself in her shoes, I decided that if I was going to be a skilled fighter, in a world of warriors much stronger than I am, I'd want to be fast, and I'd want to kill them before they ever got a chance to swing at me. Therefore, I chose to dual-wield, and to maximize my damage output, I'd dual-wield something like rapier/kukri to maximize the critical potential.</p><p></p><p>But the game is Castles and Crusades, which doesn't have criticals. The GM has houseruled a critical, but only on a 20. 19-20 for ranged weapons. His reasoning was that he favored a more abstract game, and didn't want to bog himself down into weapon balance and things of that nature, favoring a smoother game with less rules.</p><p></p><p>Which I can appreciate, but it's absolutely killing the INTJ personality type indicator in me, because it seems illogical to me that if I walk to a blacksmith and say "give me the fastest, lightest, sharpest blade you have", he hands me a longsword, and while I admire it, someone else comes up to me and says, "gimme me whatever", and he hands them a similar longsword.</p><p></p><p>Am I being unreasonable? BTW, the GM is an artist, and I don't know what his personality type indicator is, I'm guessing it's probably polar opposite of my own. I don't feel like I'm min-maxing or powergaming here (my highest score is a 16, and I put it into charisma), so I don't think I am.</p><p></p><p>I think this is why I hate systems like ODAD and C&C so much, because it goes against my analytical thinking processes. I'm a systems analyst by trade, so I like analyzing things. C&C kind of takes away my ability to do that.</p><p></p><p>Anyone else encountered this?</p><p></p><p>BTW, I don't think this is going to destroy the game for me. It's going to bug me, for sure, but I realize that the game is more than that, and I know I can continue to have fun, so that shouldn't be a concern.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="der_kluge, post: 2300860, member: 945"] In a discussion I was having with a GM about my character, we had a polite disagreement over weapons. The character is a female fighter, and in my mind, lacking a lot of strength (11), she would favor weapons of speed. Putting myself in her shoes, I decided that if I was going to be a skilled fighter, in a world of warriors much stronger than I am, I'd want to be fast, and I'd want to kill them before they ever got a chance to swing at me. Therefore, I chose to dual-wield, and to maximize my damage output, I'd dual-wield something like rapier/kukri to maximize the critical potential. But the game is Castles and Crusades, which doesn't have criticals. The GM has houseruled a critical, but only on a 20. 19-20 for ranged weapons. His reasoning was that he favored a more abstract game, and didn't want to bog himself down into weapon balance and things of that nature, favoring a smoother game with less rules. Which I can appreciate, but it's absolutely killing the INTJ personality type indicator in me, because it seems illogical to me that if I walk to a blacksmith and say "give me the fastest, lightest, sharpest blade you have", he hands me a longsword, and while I admire it, someone else comes up to me and says, "gimme me whatever", and he hands them a similar longsword. Am I being unreasonable? BTW, the GM is an artist, and I don't know what his personality type indicator is, I'm guessing it's probably polar opposite of my own. I don't feel like I'm min-maxing or powergaming here (my highest score is a 16, and I put it into charisma), so I don't think I am. I think this is why I hate systems like ODAD and C&C so much, because it goes against my analytical thinking processes. I'm a systems analyst by trade, so I like analyzing things. C&C kind of takes away my ability to do that. Anyone else encountered this? BTW, I don't think this is going to destroy the game for me. It's going to bug me, for sure, but I realize that the game is more than that, and I know I can continue to have fun, so that shouldn't be a concern. [/QUOTE]
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