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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 2309789" data-attributes="member: 158">I personally think that rules-light can take away from character creation, and I think the answer needs to be the following:--A rules system that (1) has levels of complexity, completely compatible, that each player can engage in differently, and (2) that has a totally different rules system for the DM than the players, with only the core mechanics providing the common interface between player and DM.An example of a good start is Mutants and Masterminds, in particular its point-buy for Base attack and Defense. You can buy BAB for 3 points for every +1 BAB, ORyou can buy it based on melee, ranged, or mental attack bonus, on a 1-for-1 point basis. The player looking to just "make something and play" goes the 3-points per point route; the customizer who wants to make a marksman who can't punch worth a damn takes the customization route. It's a good description of what I'm aiming for.</blockquote>