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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1193076" data-attributes="member: 14225">WTF?Sorcerers get spells from at most 5 schools in any level ever. That's because they can't know more than 5 spells in any school. A Specialist Wizard is restricted to "only" picking spells from 6 schools.If you are willing to give up 3 schools for getting more spells per day by being a Sorcerer you'd obviously be willing to give up only 2 by being a Specialist.This isn't a big confrontation thing - this is mathematical analysis. And I am in no way running away from your argument - you just don't have a good one.I believe that Specialist Wizards are superior to Non-specialist Wizards. Yes. What you give up is the ability to learn spells from 2 schools. Compared to a Sorcerer that's trivial. In fact, a non-specialist Wizard can only prepare at most 6 spells of any spell level even at high levels. Thus on any randomly chosen day there is no difference between a Non-Specialist who happened to not prepare any spells of two schools and a Specialist who "can't" prepare those spells anyway - except that the Specialist has more spells per day.So yes - Specializing is a no-brainer. There is no reason why you wouldn't be a Specialist. So any comparison of wizards vs. anything should assume the Wizard specializes in the same way that a Fighter comparison should assume the Fighter uses armor and weapons.Um... at first level the Specialist Wizard has 3 spells and the Sorcerer has 4. At second level the Wizard has 4 spells and the Sorcerer has 5. But at first level the Wizard is selecting from six or seven spells instead of 2. At second level the Wizard is selecting from 8 spells and the Sorcerer is still selecting from 2.There's no clear winner there. The Wizard has 3 times the customizability, but one less spell per day. That's a sharp tradeoff. After that, the Wizard still has more customizability and has as many or more spells per day.I'm not saying Sorcerers are out of the running at level one or level 2. They are definately in the running. And they'd stay in the running if they only got new spell levels at the same time as Wizards do. But they don't - so they suck.Statements like this don't make any sense. The Sorcerer only gets one spell - which is definitionally from only one school. A Sorcerer who chooses a spell from Conjuration would be compared to a Conjurer and come out poorly in the comparison. A Sorcerer who chose a spell from Illusion would be compared to an Illusionist and again come out poorly.There are eight flavors of 6th level Wizard - each specialized in a different school. However, there are 42 different flavors of 6th level Sorcerer - each one knows a different single 3rd level spell. Each of those 42 different Sorcerers can be replicated better by one of the 8 different kinds of Wizard. That doesn't mean that Wizards have to plan things perfectly to keep up - it means that even if Sorcerers plan things perfectly they still can't keep up.-Frank</blockquote>

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