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<blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1194596" data-attributes="member: 14225"><p>This is a difference between 3.5 and 3rd edition.</p><p></p><p>In 3rd edition you could put Awaken onto a Scroll and activate it as a Standard Action (allowing you to Awaken yourself in conjunction with Shapechange).</p><p></p><p>In 3.5 it requires only Limited Wish and Polymorph to Awaken yourself - but the Scroll loop is closed. However, in 3.5 a Scroll of Awaken still takes hours and hours to read, while a scroll of feather Fall is done in a free action.</p><p></p><p>This is all meaningless of course, as a Sorcerer sacrificing a Spell Known is a larger concession than a Wizard sacrificing a spell slot.</p><p></p><p>The Sorcerer only knows 5 1st level spells at 20th level, and is thus only prepared for at most 5 different bizzare circumstances (such as falling). The Wizard, OTOH, has 7 (or even 8 if he has an Intelligence of 28 or more) different 1st level Spell Slots at 20th level, and since none of them are going to be particularly useful in combat they are <em>all</em> going to be emergency and utility spells.</p><p></p><p>The Sorcerer is using up 20% of his first level options to have Feather Fall.It takes less than 15% of a Wizard's first level spell options to have the same ace in the hole.</p><p></p><p>The question isn't "how can a Wizard match a Sorcerer" - it's "how can a Sorcerer match the Wizard?" And the fact is that the answer is that he can't.</p><p></p><p>-Frank</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrankTrollman, post: 1194596, member: 14225"] This is a difference between 3.5 and 3rd edition. In 3rd edition you could put Awaken onto a Scroll and activate it as a Standard Action (allowing you to Awaken yourself in conjunction with Shapechange). In 3.5 it requires only Limited Wish and Polymorph to Awaken yourself - but the Scroll loop is closed. However, in 3.5 a Scroll of Awaken still takes hours and hours to read, while a scroll of feather Fall is done in a free action. This is all meaningless of course, as a Sorcerer sacrificing a Spell Known is a larger concession than a Wizard sacrificing a spell slot. The Sorcerer only knows 5 1st level spells at 20th level, and is thus only prepared for at most 5 different bizzare circumstances (such as falling). The Wizard, OTOH, has 7 (or even 8 if he has an Intelligence of 28 or more) different 1st level Spell Slots at 20th level, and since none of them are going to be particularly useful in combat they are [i]all[/i] going to be emergency and utility spells. The Sorcerer is using up 20% of his first level options to have Feather Fall.It takes less than 15% of a Wizard's first level spell options to have the same ace in the hole. The question isn't "how can a Wizard match a Sorcerer" - it's "how can a Sorcerer match the Wizard?" And the fact is that the answer is that he can't. -Frank [/QUOTE]
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