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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 8186992" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>Yep, other than Thieves' Tools and that one character able to drive Vehicles (Land), I find almost every single other tool proficiency to be at best flavor text for the character.</p><p></p><p>Musical instruments? Anyone who plays one will usually use Performance anyway. All the makers tools? Maybe if your group actually uses Downtime, but otherwise if you have a continuous ongoing story the group will rarely stay still long enough to allow time to "make stuff". Disguise kits? You probably have a character with the Disguise Self spell already and even if you don't... I imagine most DMs allow PCs to dress up into other clothing and still use Deception to pretend to be other people even without the make-up and wigs associated with a Disguise kit. Heck... I found Disguise kits and Forgery kits to be so unused I started combining them into a single 'Charlatan kit' for PCs... and then <em>still</em> went virtually unused.</p><p></p><p>Obviously all tables are different and others might find tools are used all the time (in which case, yes, the Tasha swap might be too much). But I'm just pointing out my own experiences to show that a DM really just needs to take a hard look at how their table plays before automatically declaring something overpowered, underpowered, or broken.</p><p></p><p>That being said... if you want to limit things just due to <strong>thematic</strong> reasons then I can certainly understand that if you think it helps with your stories and world. But I know for me personally, I don't find elves keeping proficiency in weapons they never use to be any more or less thematic than switching over to tool proficiencies they never use. After all... an Elven Fighter has proficiencies in warhammers, flails, greataxes, tridents, heavy crossbows, etc. etc. and never uses those... so keeping proficiencies in long and shortswords and long and shortbows just to suggest they are "elves" does not actually do anything for me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 8186992, member: 7006"] Yep, other than Thieves' Tools and that one character able to drive Vehicles (Land), I find almost every single other tool proficiency to be at best flavor text for the character. Musical instruments? Anyone who plays one will usually use Performance anyway. All the makers tools? Maybe if your group actually uses Downtime, but otherwise if you have a continuous ongoing story the group will rarely stay still long enough to allow time to "make stuff". Disguise kits? You probably have a character with the Disguise Self spell already and even if you don't... I imagine most DMs allow PCs to dress up into other clothing and still use Deception to pretend to be other people even without the make-up and wigs associated with a Disguise kit. Heck... I found Disguise kits and Forgery kits to be so unused I started combining them into a single 'Charlatan kit' for PCs... and then [I]still[/I] went virtually unused. Obviously all tables are different and others might find tools are used all the time (in which case, yes, the Tasha swap might be too much). But I'm just pointing out my own experiences to show that a DM really just needs to take a hard look at how their table plays before automatically declaring something overpowered, underpowered, or broken. That being said... if you want to limit things just due to [B]thematic[/B] reasons then I can certainly understand that if you think it helps with your stories and world. But I know for me personally, I don't find elves keeping proficiency in weapons they never use to be any more or less thematic than switching over to tool proficiencies they never use. After all... an Elven Fighter has proficiencies in warhammers, flails, greataxes, tridents, heavy crossbows, etc. etc. and never uses those... so keeping proficiencies in long and shortswords and long and shortbows just to suggest they are "elves" does not actually do anything for me. [/QUOTE]
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