AC&C (Insert String of Curses Here)

[jdrakeh]

Two weeks back, I parted with my C&C books (long story). Ultimately, I was a little heartbroken, but the fact of the matter was that I probably wouldn't be playing C&C again for a long time and I have this commitment to keep. . .

I will not hold onto game books that I am unlikely to use in the future, nor will I spend moeny on same said books.

As it turns out, while I've had some minor heartache over the past two years, this commitment has made gaming a much more practical hobby for me, both in terms of finance and actual play. Now I'm selling my AD&D books.

While all of this decision making (on what to part with and what to keep) was going on, I had somebody on another forum (Treebore, perhaps) ask me why I prefered to hold onto my AD&D books, rather than my C&C books.

Originally, my answer was something along the lines of "local old school gamers want to use real, honest to god, old school rules" (which was true), but today I realized something while I was pouring over my AD&D books to post "Fore Sale" ads (and I'm a little embarrased that I hadn't noticed it sooner)...

With about two minutes worth of work, AD&D becomes C&C -- all you have to do is subtract an AD&D character's or creature's armor class from 20 to convert it to its C&C equivalent and, for task resolution, you simply have to port in the default SRD ability check rules.

Abracadabra!

My old AD&D books just became AC&C! Sure, there are some class differences between this hybrid and pure strain C&C, but for the most part, the way that both games play becomes identical when you make the two changes that I just described.

Dammit. Dammit. Dammit

Now I'm having second thoughts about parting with my AD&D stuff, thinking that I want to run this on the tabletop at least once

 

[Treebore]

Apparently you missed my modification of the ring poem from LotR for C&C, in particular the "in the darkness bind them" part. Referring to C&C's ease of being able to use EVERY SINGLE EDITiON of D&D with the C&C rules. To use 3E you get rid of sutff, to use 1E/2E you flip the AC, etc.... SAves for all creatures becomes equal to their level. Easy.

Now you will pay your penance and rejoin the Crusade. DO NOT STUMBLE AGAIN!! Or ELSE the wrath of whoever will be upon you!

 

[jdrakeh]

Apparently you missed my modification of the ring poem from LotR for C&C, in particular the "in the darkness bind them" part. Referring to C&C's ease of being able to use EVERY SINGLE EDITiON of D&D with the C&C rules. To use 3E you get rid of sutff, to use 1E/2E you flip the AC, etc.... SAves for all creatures becomes equal to their level. Easy.

No, no, I know all about that -- you missed my point. My point is that I don't need the C&C rulebooks at all, but can supplant them with the AD&D rulebooks entirely by making the two aforementioned modifications. The resultant game won't be the same thing as baseline C&C (character classes and special abilities will be different, for starters), but it will be to C&C what AD&D was to D&D.

DO NOT STUMBLE AGAIN!! Or ELSE the wrath of whoever will be upon you!

I fear for my damnable soul!

 

[Treebore]

I get it now. Yeah, the SIEGE engine stuff is very easy to import into other systems. I even converted it to work with my Megatraveller rules set. I didn't use Primes, though.

But that is exactly why C&C is so good, you get to use all books you like from every edition, and modules. Modules are actually the most important to me.

I'm just very saddened that my Dungeons all burned in my house fire 3 years ago. It would be sweet to read and use all of them again.

 

[jdrakeh]

I didn't use Primes, though.

Me, either. You know, primes were the only part of the otherwise mechanically elegant system that really stuck in my craw. Where probabilities were concerned, it made low-level characters succceeding at any task not associated with a prime very unlikely.

I'm just very saddened that my Dungeons all burned in my house fire 3 years ago. It would be sweet to read and use all of them again.

Sorry to hear that

 

[Dragonhelm]

One of the things I love about C&C is how my AD&D books are useful again. For a while, I had switched my game over to a C&C/D&D hybrid. It was pretty snazzy too. I was bringing in books from 1e, 2e, and 3e into the game. I didn't feel like any of my books were "useless" (for a lack of better terms).

My advice is to keep any and all books you currently have, whether you use them or not. You never know when you might land up using them in the future. From there, you can curb your future purchases.

 

[Allandaros]

I just want you guys to know that it was this thread which sold me on C&C completely. I had been interested in it before, but hadn't quite grasped how easy it is to convert.

*thanks everyone, runs to FLGS, and curses when C&C is not in evidence*

 

[Treebore]

I'm glad! I hope to see you on our forums soon.