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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3967971" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Sure, the Monks have somewhat higher AC than touch AC, especially at higher levels, due to Bracers/Amulets (moreso if they go the Amulet of Natural Armor route instead of the Amulet of Mighty Fists route).</p><p></p><p>But, touch attacks are not used by Fighters (shy of Trip/Grapple). They are used by either Clerics/Druids with +3/4 BAB for lousy damage/effect spells, or by Wizards/Sorcerers with +1/2 BAB for better damage/effect spells.</p><p></p><p>At most levels, this means that the chance of the Wizard hitting touch AC is less than the chance of the Fighter hitting normal AC when facing a Monk. Sure, the Clerics/Druids can hit slightly more often, but most of their normal touch attack spells suck.</p><p></p><p>As levels go up, the Wizard tends to do more damage than the Fighter, but on a full round attack, the Fighter hits more often. It balances out.</p><p></p><p>The best thing for a Wizard to do against a Monk is to levitate out of his reach and let the Fighter kick his butt. The Wizard should concentrate on other foes. Even moreso than using touch attacks against the Monk.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Your original concern about Reflex saves for a dragon might be valid, but we don't know yet. Even if Reflex Defense is the new Touch AC in 4E, we cannot yet speculate on whether that is good or bad without knowing all of the 4E rules. A Dragon might have a high Reflex Defense and some Wizard spells might have bonuses to "hit it". We just do not know yet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3967971, member: 2011"] Sure, the Monks have somewhat higher AC than touch AC, especially at higher levels, due to Bracers/Amulets (moreso if they go the Amulet of Natural Armor route instead of the Amulet of Mighty Fists route). But, touch attacks are not used by Fighters (shy of Trip/Grapple). They are used by either Clerics/Druids with +3/4 BAB for lousy damage/effect spells, or by Wizards/Sorcerers with +1/2 BAB for better damage/effect spells. At most levels, this means that the chance of the Wizard hitting touch AC is less than the chance of the Fighter hitting normal AC when facing a Monk. Sure, the Clerics/Druids can hit slightly more often, but most of their normal touch attack spells suck. As levels go up, the Wizard tends to do more damage than the Fighter, but on a full round attack, the Fighter hits more often. It balances out. The best thing for a Wizard to do against a Monk is to levitate out of his reach and let the Fighter kick his butt. The Wizard should concentrate on other foes. Even moreso than using touch attacks against the Monk. Your original concern about Reflex saves for a dragon might be valid, but we don't know yet. Even if Reflex Defense is the new Touch AC in 4E, we cannot yet speculate on whether that is good or bad without knowing all of the 4E rules. A Dragon might have a high Reflex Defense and some Wizard spells might have bonuses to "hit it". We just do not know yet. [/QUOTE]
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