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<blockquote data-quote="Nichwee" data-source="post: 5364173" data-attributes="member: 84242"><p>[MENTION=65726]Mengu[/MENTION]</p><p>Well if the spell to cast a magic bolt takes a few seconds to cast vs pulling a bow which can be "snapped" (and snapped well if you practice hunting shots a lot) then I see no problem with the idea the Ranger can respond to "Shoot Now!" better than the mage - tho if the mage has a very quick cast spell it would also be able to respond to the call (and it would have a spell that counts as a RBA I expect - Like Magic Missile).</p><p></p><p>[MENTION=83359]karolusb[/MENTION]</p><p>I wasn't trying to say that all oppertunity attacks are innately made better by more strength - or that a Dex-based fighter could never make a good "grab the oppertunity" attack.</p><p></p><p>I was saying enough cases exist in my experience to say Dex-based (or anything based tbh) melee shouldn't automatically be able to do good MBAs. This is hardly a fact so far removed from normal as to harm the flow or fluff of the game to breaking point. Any style of fighting that isn't "wind up and swing" would have reasons to potentially be worse at quick "just swing now" attacks imo. Not would HAVE TO BE WORSE but certainly COULD BE WORSE - so if you want to be better get Melee Training.</p><p></p><p>As for the "He reaches into his fanny pack" oppertunity, well I have never been granted such an oppertunity in a single D&D fight so far - mobs rarely have rason to reach into a bag, and would probably shift away first if they needed to. SO I don't see the failure to take such an oppertunity well as being all that important tbh. And if this did come up I think "Yes" being a 200lb behemoth would be helpful as this is the sort of oppertunity that is screaming for "No finesse just smack him while he isn't looking!" which being extremely strong would be good at.</p><p></p><p>It is a game, and as such I don't see how having some classes designed to represent a more poised style of melee, that therefore doesn't do MBAs well as these are D&Ds version of "swing and hope", breaks things so much. The need for MBAs is the rarity - and if you get a lot of them and have a rotten one you invest in Melee Training and get a good (but not great) one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nichwee, post: 5364173, member: 84242"] [MENTION=65726]Mengu[/MENTION] Well if the spell to cast a magic bolt takes a few seconds to cast vs pulling a bow which can be "snapped" (and snapped well if you practice hunting shots a lot) then I see no problem with the idea the Ranger can respond to "Shoot Now!" better than the mage - tho if the mage has a very quick cast spell it would also be able to respond to the call (and it would have a spell that counts as a RBA I expect - Like Magic Missile). [MENTION=83359]karolusb[/MENTION] I wasn't trying to say that all oppertunity attacks are innately made better by more strength - or that a Dex-based fighter could never make a good "grab the oppertunity" attack. I was saying enough cases exist in my experience to say Dex-based (or anything based tbh) melee shouldn't automatically be able to do good MBAs. This is hardly a fact so far removed from normal as to harm the flow or fluff of the game to breaking point. Any style of fighting that isn't "wind up and swing" would have reasons to potentially be worse at quick "just swing now" attacks imo. Not would HAVE TO BE WORSE but certainly COULD BE WORSE - so if you want to be better get Melee Training. As for the "He reaches into his fanny pack" oppertunity, well I have never been granted such an oppertunity in a single D&D fight so far - mobs rarely have rason to reach into a bag, and would probably shift away first if they needed to. SO I don't see the failure to take such an oppertunity well as being all that important tbh. And if this did come up I think "Yes" being a 200lb behemoth would be helpful as this is the sort of oppertunity that is screaming for "No finesse just smack him while he isn't looking!" which being extremely strong would be good at. It is a game, and as such I don't see how having some classes designed to represent a more poised style of melee, that therefore doesn't do MBAs well as these are D&Ds version of "swing and hope", breaks things so much. The need for MBAs is the rarity - and if you get a lot of them and have a rotten one you invest in Melee Training and get a good (but not great) one. [/QUOTE]
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