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<blockquote data-quote="Nisarg" data-source="post: 1892339" data-attributes="member: 19893"><p>The people it brought in didn't make up for all the people who left. We lost hardcore gamers by the bucketfulls who were sick of everything being "like Vampire", and we gained a few goths who looked down on the other gamers, most of whom quit gaming once they got bored of being goths, and the few of whom stayed are largely responsible for the "academic plague" business I'm talking about.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it wasn't.</p><p>Vampire is a very early example of the sort of thing I'm talking about with the academic plague.</p><p>In first edition vampires there were essays by Mark Rein-"my dot is proof i'm smart"-Hagen where he <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />ted about how Vampire is all deep and philosophical, how its something far superior to the childish game D&D, and what people are doing when they play Vampire is "storytelling" not "roll playing"... blah blah blah</p><p>And what were ALL of the modules in Vampire 1st Ed? DUNGEON CRAWLS.</p><p>Sometimes literally.</p><p>Where you went around killing things and taking their stuff.</p><p></p><p>So how was it justifiable?</p><p>Where did the "Vampire is superior" thing come in?</p><p>Well.. um.. they talk in big words, and they have a superior attitude.. they MUST be intellectuals!</p><p></p><p>Even though they aren't, at all. There was nothing new or revolutionary about Vampire. Just pretentiousness, just pseudo-intellectualism, just angst (which, if you don't know, is the emotional equivalent of pìssing your pants, there's nothing particularly "sophisticated" intelligent, or difficult about creating angst, its the shallowest and fakest of emotions).</p><p></p><p>In the newest edition of WoD, btw, there's redo of the same essay, accusing D&D of being "roll playing" while WoD is "storytelling". Its the same old lie.</p><p></p><p>Nisarg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nisarg, post: 1892339, member: 19893"] The people it brought in didn't make up for all the people who left. We lost hardcore gamers by the bucketfulls who were sick of everything being "like Vampire", and we gained a few goths who looked down on the other gamers, most of whom quit gaming once they got bored of being goths, and the few of whom stayed are largely responsible for the "academic plague" business I'm talking about. No, it wasn't. Vampire is a very early example of the sort of thing I'm talking about with the academic plague. In first edition vampires there were essays by Mark Rein-"my dot is proof i'm smart"-Hagen where he :):):):):):):):)ted about how Vampire is all deep and philosophical, how its something far superior to the childish game D&D, and what people are doing when they play Vampire is "storytelling" not "roll playing"... blah blah blah And what were ALL of the modules in Vampire 1st Ed? DUNGEON CRAWLS. Sometimes literally. Where you went around killing things and taking their stuff. So how was it justifiable? Where did the "Vampire is superior" thing come in? Well.. um.. they talk in big words, and they have a superior attitude.. they MUST be intellectuals! Even though they aren't, at all. There was nothing new or revolutionary about Vampire. Just pretentiousness, just pseudo-intellectualism, just angst (which, if you don't know, is the emotional equivalent of pìssing your pants, there's nothing particularly "sophisticated" intelligent, or difficult about creating angst, its the shallowest and fakest of emotions). In the newest edition of WoD, btw, there's redo of the same essay, accusing D&D of being "roll playing" while WoD is "storytelling". Its the same old lie. Nisarg [/QUOTE]
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