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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faraer" data-source="post: 1893043" data-attributes="member: 6318">It's arbitrary to define 'story-based gaming' as 'running PCs through a predefined story'. While this happens, and is even occasionally recommended, it's certainly not how most games that talk a lot about story work. (Gary Gygax himself has used this straw man.)It's rhetoric to call the Forge posters pseudointellectuals. At least some of them are genuine intellectuals.If you say GNS is a load of garbage, how do you account for when people find it useful, other than by making unsubstantiatable ad hominem accusations of self-deception? But you also say it's just fine to say there are three kinds of gaming, and one could as easily have two, or four. But GNS is just a model, and has never claimed to be the only model.RPG culture is full of jargon. Is there really more in indie games than in D&D?Actually, I think 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof' is nonsense. For some practical purposes, yes: I would want to look carefully at an alleged unicorn in someone's garden, whereas I might take it on trust they had a dog. But scientifically, if I wanted to be really sure it was a dog, I'd need as much proof as with the unicorn. But Nisarg hasn't provided any proof. It may or may not be his responsibility to do so, but he'd be more likely to convince people if he did.</blockquote>