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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 1893187" data-attributes="member: 6957">Read your own posts again. While I exagerated (slightly) for effect, you are in fact claiming that 'more people are being driven out of the hobby' than are being brought into it by alternate games. Oh, sorry, I wasn't exagerating, I was quoting.Quite frankly an 'my way is the only way' attitude is more likely to hurt the industry than some people having fun with a gaming style that you don't approve of. Storyteller still sells, It was written for a market that existed, and it sold to them. The only people that I have ever met with the 'my way or the highway' attitude are D20, Rifts, GURPS, and homebrew players. Not White Wolf, not Amber, Everwhere, or Nobilis (though I have never met any Nobilis players), but D20, Rifts, and GURPS. I have met three players who won't play anything but White Wolf, but they do not go up to people and tell them 'your game suxxx' or 'your game is so pretentious that it is killing the market', or for that matter 'your game is so lowbrow that it is killing the market'. Mostly they LARP and ignore the rest of gaming. And I ignore them.I am not even saying that I like all of those games, but I am saying that an exclusionist attitude can be held by both sides of an argument. (The only game I really have anything against is GURPS, and that has to do with an outspoken group with exactly the attitued I am speaking of. And yes, they will go up to you in the game store and tell you that the game you are looking to buy is crap because it isn't GURPS. It's like Diaglo x 7.) TAnd I vastly prefer 'Storytelling' games to overly complex games that engage you in a calculator frenzy. These turn people off much faster than overly verbose or pretentious games.  (The worst for this was a homebrew - your weapon and defense skills were both percentile, but only the attacker rolled, multiplying his chance to hit times the defender's defense. Damage created an equal amount of 'stun', which was subtracted from both your chance to hit and your defense, diminishing by an amount equal to your Con bonus per round, so you had to recalculate everything each time you were struck, and again at the start of your phase. Two of the playtesters never played anything ever again. (The GM also to criticism very badly.)) The Auld Grump</blockquote>

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