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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 6749744" data-attributes="member: 5100"><p>Wow. This is so wrong, in so many ways.</p><p></p><p>I'm not your babysitter, tasked with entertaining you. Nor am I a paid representative of "the hobby", whose job it is to ensure you continue to play the game and buy products. There is absolutely nothing in the social contract that implies that I should set aside my definition of fun any more than another player.</p><p></p><p>I'm a player of the same game, with the same right to enjoy what I'm doing. Even if we're using a published adventure, in a published setting, it's almost guaranteed that I'm putting in more time and effort than anyone else at the table. If I'm using a custom setting or custom adventure, that goes up by an order of magnitude. Yes, a lot of the extra work from customizing comes from the enjoyment gained by the "art" of it all, but there is a definite, inescapable baseline that's already baked into just making it work and entertaining everyone else at the table.</p><p></p><p>Part of being a grown-up, playing with other grown-ups, is that there is some negotiation about the group activity. Any well-adjusted human being (even teenagers) can do this and should be expected to be functional, in this regard. That said, there should be absolutely no expectation that part of the "job" of the GM is to capitulate to the need for someone else unwilling to have a grown-up conversation or unable to see past their own self-absorbed need for validation-by-proxy in a game of make-believe.</p><p></p><p>Here's how it looks (real, if abbreviated, example): I want to run <u>Aces & Eights</u>. Nobody else really wants to do a western. Bummer. How about nWoD? One of the players wants something a bit lighter and less political. Cool, D&D it is; the 5E Starter is out, let's do that. It's set in the Realms, which I hate, so I'll run in Eberron or home brew. The vote comes back for Eberron. Great. One of the players asks about a warforged. I've been at this long enough, I can throw together some stats, while we're talking. I'm not a big fan of warforged-as-droids because it's jarring, to me, in a fantasy setting; they're a great way to explore themes about being an outsider, political issues, etc. The player finds that a bummer but understands, so he goes with something else.</p><p></p><p>Here's how it does <u>not</u> look: I offer to run the new 5E game. We decide to use my 30-year running home brew with which most of the players are familiar and enjoy. One player wants to play a warforged. I let him know that there aren't any warforged on my world, but I have a race of self-willed homonculi that serve a similar niche. Player says that I'm being completely unreasonable and attempts to guilt/bully/otherwise coerce me into changing my ways without concern for why it's that way, established history, or my enjoyment at all.</p><p></p><p>It also doesn't look like this: I offer to run the new 5E game. We decide to do Eberron. Player wants to play a warforged. I tell him that I think warforged are dumb and not available as PCs because I don't like them, regardless of the fact that they're part of the published setting and others in the group think they're cool.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 6749744, member: 5100"] Wow. This is so wrong, in so many ways. I'm not your babysitter, tasked with entertaining you. Nor am I a paid representative of "the hobby", whose job it is to ensure you continue to play the game and buy products. There is absolutely nothing in the social contract that implies that I should set aside my definition of fun any more than another player. I'm a player of the same game, with the same right to enjoy what I'm doing. Even if we're using a published adventure, in a published setting, it's almost guaranteed that I'm putting in more time and effort than anyone else at the table. If I'm using a custom setting or custom adventure, that goes up by an order of magnitude. Yes, a lot of the extra work from customizing comes from the enjoyment gained by the "art" of it all, but there is a definite, inescapable baseline that's already baked into just making it work and entertaining everyone else at the table. Part of being a grown-up, playing with other grown-ups, is that there is some negotiation about the group activity. Any well-adjusted human being (even teenagers) can do this and should be expected to be functional, in this regard. That said, there should be absolutely no expectation that part of the "job" of the GM is to capitulate to the need for someone else unwilling to have a grown-up conversation or unable to see past their own self-absorbed need for validation-by-proxy in a game of make-believe. Here's how it looks (real, if abbreviated, example): I want to run [U]Aces & Eights[/U]. Nobody else really wants to do a western. Bummer. How about nWoD? One of the players wants something a bit lighter and less political. Cool, D&D it is; the 5E Starter is out, let's do that. It's set in the Realms, which I hate, so I'll run in Eberron or home brew. The vote comes back for Eberron. Great. One of the players asks about a warforged. I've been at this long enough, I can throw together some stats, while we're talking. I'm not a big fan of warforged-as-droids because it's jarring, to me, in a fantasy setting; they're a great way to explore themes about being an outsider, political issues, etc. The player finds that a bummer but understands, so he goes with something else. Here's how it does [U]not[/U] look: I offer to run the new 5E game. We decide to use my 30-year running home brew with which most of the players are familiar and enjoy. One player wants to play a warforged. I let him know that there aren't any warforged on my world, but I have a race of self-willed homonculi that serve a similar niche. Player says that I'm being completely unreasonable and attempts to guilt/bully/otherwise coerce me into changing my ways without concern for why it's that way, established history, or my enjoyment at all. It also doesn't look like this: I offer to run the new 5E game. We decide to do Eberron. Player wants to play a warforged. I tell him that I think warforged are dumb and not available as PCs because I don't like them, regardless of the fact that they're part of the published setting and others in the group think they're cool. [/QUOTE]
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