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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6950798" data-attributes="member: 2067">I said that there's not many people who benefit from chucking the ToH into FR. There are lots of people who benefit from a great adventure, but I wasn't griping about a great adventure, I was specifically griping about chucking ToH into FR, which doesn't set up things well to be a great adventure. It might be great despite that, sure! But even if it's a great adventure, it's still a hackey crossover. So, I'm still voicing my concerns about crossovers, and about a potential ToH adventure that is a crossover. When they told Strahd's story, they didn't relocate Barovia to FR. They don't need to relocate the ToH, either. The idea should always be to tell the best story, and a crossover is giving you a handicap right out of the gate, regardless of the lore reasons for it. I'm not necessarily objecting to it's canonicity / authenticity here. I'm objecting to it's lameness. Crossovers are lame. It's an ancient, stale, pandering, and over-used trope that speaks to a lack of confidence in either of the stories individually. It was lame when Elminster went and had tea with Mordenkainen or whatever. Even a good crossover can't escape the sucking black pool of lame that is at the center of it.I mean, from my perspective, as an example, one of the best crossovers is maybe Kingdom Hearts. Disney characters and Final Fantasy characters all mixed up and you wouldn't necessarily expect a narrative where Mickey Mouse is some black-robed key-wielding Jedi figure and Maleficent and Pete From Goof Troop lead armies of shadow to destroy the Beast's castle and where you can fight Sephiroth in the coloseum made for training Disney's Hercules to really work. And it's a convoluted mess, but it kind of pulls it off! A new narrative, new characters, a good 'verse...yeah, it's pretty juicy as a setting and as a set of stories. ...and it's still pretty lame on the face of it. One of the things one always says about Kingdom Hearts is that it's a lot better than it sounds. (and, one of the reasons it kind of pulls it off, is because it isn't interested in mimicing the experience of watching Mulan or Playing FF7 or whatever - it's using Mulan and Cloud for it's own purposes)Even if this was the best adventure since ever, it would still have that little asterisk next to it that says "Okay, guys, I know this sounds bad, but it's actually really great!"And with a start of "Let's put the ToH in FR!" I'm not filled with a whole lot of confidence.That lack of confidence is what I'm voicing.</blockquote>

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