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<blockquote data-quote="NuclearWookiee" data-source="post: 2296217" data-attributes="member: 32806">This thread is starting to run a little out of control... not real sure why it's devolved into a lecture on the difference between &quot;professional&quot; and &quot;non-professional&quot; class characters when all of us here have a minimum of several years of rpg xp (that stands for experience, just in case I'm wrong <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). Let's recap...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Clearly referring to major &quot;villains&quot; and not &quot;thugs&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Not so clearly referring to major &quot;villains&quot; and not &quot;thugs&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A clearly weak interjection of humor <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :o"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /> regarding aforementioned notion of the universality of action point usage.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The restatement of a condition previously assumed in posing the original query.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The bow-wearing velociraptor expresses confusion over how the topic strayed from &quot;major&quot; bad guys.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Almost back to the original query... we all agree that the &quot;chief&quot;, &quot;boss&quot;, or &quot;major bad guy&quot;, etc. will have action points.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;An insightful and informed, however wholly disconnected from the original observation, examination of the difference between hero and non-hero characters.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Prelude to fatal confusion...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;To simplify (hopefully): the question Clarissa posed never had anything to do with who gets action points and who doesn't, but rather what happens between players and those characters, or &quot;bosses&quot; if you will, who do possess them. And that question was how exactly will AP hoarding affect climactic battles (heroes vs &quot;major&quot; bad guys)? Once you hit level 15, you basically have a 50% chance of getting a result of &quot;6&quot; when using an AP. Considering the &quot;standard&quot; BAB scale in d20 Modern is 0 to 15, that means you essentially have a 1 in 2 chance to negate 6-11 character levels of your opponent's attack bonus (6 levels for a &quot;Strong Hero&quot; type vs 11 levels for a &quot;Charismatic Hero&quot; type), depending on his class. Looking at it from a Defense Bonus perspective, now you're talking about adding anywhere from 8 to 20 character levels of DB (DB of 6 is roughly equal to 8 levels of a &quot;Fast Hero&quot; type versus 20 levels of a &quot;Charismatic Hero&quot; type). Of course if he were able, I'm sure he would use an AP to boost his AB by 6. And so it would continue, assuming this was a &quot;one on one&quot; battle. Add a third element to the mix, and the villain can no longer afford to use his one AP per round on attack, as he would then be vulnerable to the increased AB of his second attacker. And so on...&nbsp;Hopefully you see my point. Clarissa wasn't asking who receives AP, she was pointing out that AP &quot;hoarding&quot; is going to be a natural occurrence.&nbsp;Since the players know the &quot;major&quot; bad guys will have AP supplies, they will naturally stockpile for such encounters. And why not? Neutralizing 6-11 character levels worth of AB on a fairly regular basis is pretty handy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NuclearWookiee, post: 2296217, member: 32806"] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]This thread is starting to run a little out of control... not real sure why it's devolved into a lecture on the difference between "professional" and "non-professional" class characters when all of us here have a minimum of several years of rpg xp (that stands for experience, just in case I'm wrong ;) ). Let's recap...[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3][/size][/font][/color][color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]Clearly referring to major "villains" and not "thugs".[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3][/size][/font][/color][color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]Not so clearly referring to major "villains" and not "thugs".[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3][/size][/font][/color][color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]A clearly weak interjection of humor :o regarding aforementioned notion of the universality of action point usage.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3][/size][/font][/color][color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]The restatement of a condition previously assumed in posing the original query.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3][/size][/font][/color][color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]The bow-wearing velociraptor expresses confusion over how the topic strayed from "major" bad guys.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3][/size][/font][/color][color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]Almost back to the original query... we all agree that the "chief", "boss", or "major bad guy", etc. will have action points.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3][/size][/font][/color][color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]An insightful and informed, however wholly disconnected from the original observation, examination of the difference between hero and non-hero characters.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3][/size][/font][/color][color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]Prelude to fatal confusion...[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]To simplify (hopefully): the question Clarissa posed never had anything to do with [i][font=Times]who[/font][/i] gets action points and who doesn't, but rather [i][font=Times]what[/font][/i] happens between players and those characters, or "bosses" if you will, who do possess them. And that question was how exactly will AP hoarding affect climactic battles (heroes vs "major" bad guys)? Once you hit level 15, you basically have a 50% chance of getting a result of "6" when using an AP. Considering the "standard" BAB scale in d20 Modern is 0 to 15, that means you essentially have a 1 in 2 chance to negate 6-11 character levels of your opponent's attack bonus (6 levels for a "Strong Hero" type vs 11 levels for a "Charismatic Hero" type), depending on his class. Looking at it from a Defense Bonus perspective, now you're talking about adding anywhere from 8 to 20 character levels of DB (DB of 6 is roughly equal to 8 levels of a "Fast Hero" type versus 20 levels of a "Charismatic Hero" type). Of course if he were able, I'm sure he would use an AP to boost his AB by 6. And so it would continue, assuming this was a "one on one" battle. Add a third element to the mix, and the villain can no longer afford to use his one AP per round on attack, as he would then be vulnerable to the increased AB of his second attacker. And so on...[/size][/font][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]Hopefully you see my point. Clarissa wasn't asking who receives AP, she was pointing out that AP "hoarding" is going to be a natural occurrence.[/size][/font][/color] [font=Times][size=3][color=#ffffcc][/color][/size][/font] [color=#ffffcc][/color] [color=#ffffcc][font=Times][size=3]Since the players [i][font=Times]know[/font][/i] the "major" bad guys will have AP supplies, they will naturally stockpile for such encounters. And why not? Neutralizing 6-11 character levels worth of AB on a fairly regular basis is pretty handy.[/size][/font][/color] [/QUOTE]

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