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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7295551" data-attributes="member: 6919838">avocado graph - As is red and blue and wet and dry but the fact that there are cases where the &quot;differences&quot; are more measurable and quantifiable does not make &quot;play the same&quot; any more or less of an opinion vs a statement of fact with a determinable accuracy. Shouting graph - maybe, maybe not. Shouting or not shouting IMX is more a factor of and rooted in emotional investment than in facts. See next graph for example.&quot;Differences&quot; graph - this seems more like a personal issue for you than an accurate response to what i said. Since &quot;differences&quot; applies to both sides of the division referenced there, i do not see it as being undermining to one side or the other. It highlights that that element is in question and serves that purpose, without necessarily choosing either side in the discussion. Remaining 4e vs 5e monologue... i could not care less. i have no dog in the 4e vs 5e fight. I have almost never found edition vs edition fights for any games as particularly useful. thats not to say they were all equal, don't matter or all this or all that but simply that IMO **I** and my players have been much better off treating each edition and ruleset for its own strengths and weaknesses and how well they either serve our games or not and let the ones for whom the &quot;edition this vs edition that&quot; debates have importance occupy themselves with those weighty matters.But &quot;plays the same&quot; still seems a subjective assessment more than an objective fact such as rough or smooth might be and as such &quot;accurate vs inaccurate&quot; seems a poorly assigned filter for it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7295551, member: 6919838"] avocado graph - As is red and blue and wet and dry but the fact that there are cases where the "differences" are more measurable and quantifiable does not make "play the same" any more or less of an opinion vs a statement of fact with a determinable accuracy. Shouting graph - maybe, maybe not. Shouting or not shouting IMX is more a factor of and rooted in emotional investment than in facts. See next graph for example. "Differences" graph - this seems more like a personal issue for you than an accurate response to what i said. Since "differences" applies to both sides of the division referenced there, i do not see it as being undermining to one side or the other. It highlights that that element is in question and serves that purpose, without necessarily choosing either side in the discussion. Remaining 4e vs 5e monologue... i could not care less. i have no dog in the 4e vs 5e fight. I have almost never found edition vs edition fights for any games as particularly useful. thats not to say they were all equal, don't matter or all this or all that but simply that IMO **I** and my players have been much better off treating each edition and ruleset for its own strengths and weaknesses and how well they either serve our games or not and let the ones for whom the "edition this vs edition that" debates have importance occupy themselves with those weighty matters. But "plays the same" still seems a subjective assessment more than an objective fact such as rough or smooth might be and as such "accurate vs inaccurate" seems a poorly assigned filter for it. [/QUOTE]

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