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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Zoom" data-source="post: 203790" data-attributes="member: 409">If all of them make really bad rolls for spotting and listening, which is highly unlikely, then they should be ambushed.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I would not apply any bonuses or penalties to these checks depending on passive or active use.&nbsp; Use the the ones listed.&nbsp; If you think circumstances warrant a penalty/bonus, use the +2 or -2 circumstance adjustment for the checks or the DCs.&nbsp; The real determining factor for these checks is the opposed move silently roll.&nbsp; If they roll well, then it will difficult for the party to hear them sneaking up on them.Also, the party mage, if made aware, should not depend on spot/listen checks.&nbsp; He should cast a spell or two.&nbsp; Detect magic, detect thoughts, Detect evil, etc. all might reveal the subterfuge here.&nbsp; At least, that is what I do.&nbsp; This goes for the other spellcasters as well.&nbsp; Let them rely on the rogues, rangers, and barbarians for skill checks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr. Zoom, post: 203790, member: 409"] If all of them make really bad rolls for spotting and listening, which is highly unlikely, then they should be ambushed. :D I would not apply any bonuses or penalties to these checks depending on passive or active use. Use the the ones listed. If you think circumstances warrant a penalty/bonus, use the +2 or -2 circumstance adjustment for the checks or the DCs. The real determining factor for these checks is the opposed move silently roll. If they roll well, then it will difficult for the party to hear them sneaking up on them. Also, the party mage, if made aware, should not depend on spot/listen checks. He should cast a spell or two. Detect magic, detect thoughts, Detect evil, etc. all might reveal the subterfuge here. At least, that is what I do. This goes for the other spellcasters as well. Let them rely on the rogues, rangers, and barbarians for skill checks. [/QUOTE]

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