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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 7988940" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p>Monsters out of the book in 1e, 2e, 3e, 4e, and 5e and PF1 were all weak against a well built party of experienced players. I won't comment on your players, but if I take some monsters out of the book and toss it at my players they will destroy those encounters. 5E started off promising for being able to use monsters out of the book. Then the players figured out how to make really powerful 5E characters using optional multiclass rules, feats, and <em>bless</em>. Made 5E super easy. I really had to modify the PF1 monsters to make them challenging. A solo PF dragon against a group of optimized, well-played PCs died in about a few rounds barely doing any damage in return. </p><p></p><p>With PF2 I pulled a Gelugon right out of the Bestiary with no modification against a six person lvl 10 party of experienced players optimized with a bard, took two of them down and chewed up party resources like a boss creature. I was surprised. I haven't been able to do that for decades against a six person level 10 party with my players. Just open up a monster book and toss it on the board to fight, especially one they know, and challenge them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I usually heavily modify APs to challenge my party. The only AP module of a series I can use as written is generally the first one, maybe the second one. Once the party hits about 7th level, I have to heavily modify the APs to challenge them. Not this AP. My party is level 11 and I have been running the modules exactly as written. They are still heavily challenge and often have to take breaks between fights just to survive the next encounter. And this is the enemies as written in the book. No modification at all. </p><p></p><p>Haven't been able to do that for decades. I was pretty shocked.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 7988940, member: 5834"] Monsters out of the book in 1e, 2e, 3e, 4e, and 5e and PF1 were all weak against a well built party of experienced players. I won't comment on your players, but if I take some monsters out of the book and toss it at my players they will destroy those encounters. 5E started off promising for being able to use monsters out of the book. Then the players figured out how to make really powerful 5E characters using optional multiclass rules, feats, and [i]bless[/i]. Made 5E super easy. I really had to modify the PF1 monsters to make them challenging. A solo PF dragon against a group of optimized, well-played PCs died in about a few rounds barely doing any damage in return. With PF2 I pulled a Gelugon right out of the Bestiary with no modification against a six person lvl 10 party of experienced players optimized with a bard, took two of them down and chewed up party resources like a boss creature. I was surprised. I haven't been able to do that for decades against a six person level 10 party with my players. Just open up a monster book and toss it on the board to fight, especially one they know, and challenge them. I usually heavily modify APs to challenge my party. The only AP module of a series I can use as written is generally the first one, maybe the second one. Once the party hits about 7th level, I have to heavily modify the APs to challenge them. Not this AP. My party is level 11 and I have been running the modules exactly as written. They are still heavily challenge and often have to take breaks between fights just to survive the next encounter. And this is the enemies as written in the book. No modification at all. Haven't been able to do that for decades. I was pretty shocked. [/QUOTE]
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