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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NewJeffCT" data-source="post: 6141548" data-attributes="member: 10784">wow, your 2E experiences were way different than mine.  For 2E, a 1st level fighter would have d10 + CON hit points, for a maximum of 13, with an average of maybe 7 if you have a +2 CON bonus for having a very high16 CON.  A 2E troll with 6d8+6 hit points is going to have an average of 33 hit points ((4.5 x 6)+6).  If you used the optional weapon specialization rules, your fighter is going to have a +1 to hit and a +2 to damage.  So, your fighter with a 17 STR and a 16 CON and specialized in the long sword is going to start with a THAC0 of 18 (+1 for Strength, +1 for weapon specialization), hitting the AC:4 troll on a 14 or better and gets 3 attacks every 2 rounds because of weapon specialization.  The 2E has a THACO of 13 and get 3 attacks/round, hitting the AC:4 fighter on a 9 or better.  The fighter will do d8+3 damage per hit, or 7.5 on average.  The troll, with its two claws doing an average of 6.5 damage per hit, and its bite does 8.5 damage/hit.  The troll hits 55% of the time, while the fighter is hitting only 30% of the time.  The fighter has a slight advantage in initiative - weapon speed of 5 for the longsword vs the large-sized troll having a +6 with natural weapons.  (also, if the troll has a weapon, it still maintains its 9 or better to hit, but now has +8 to damage with its weapon - basically, killing your average fighter with any hit)The first level fighter is lucky if he survives round 1, and its doubtful if he makes it past round 2.Round 1 - fighter wins init.  Rolls high and hits the troll, hitting it for 8 points of damage, taking the troll down to 25 hit points.  Troll retaliates, hitting fighter with one claw, but surprisingly missing with its other claw and its bite.  The one claw does 6 points of damage, leaving the fighter with 1 hit point.Round 2 - fighter wins init.  With his first attack, he misses the troll.  Troll retaliates and hits with one claw and its bite attack, dropping the fighter with a combined 16 points of damage.Now a 2E Hill giant is 12d10 +1 or 2 for hit points.  So, an average hill giant is 67 or 68 hit points, or double the troll.  With a THAC0 of 9, the hill giant is hitting that same 1st level fighter on a 5 or better and doing an average of 14 points of damage/hit, with a minimum of 9 damage.  That 1st level fighter is most likely the best armored PC in the group and has more hit points than the cleric, wizard and thief.  So, the giant is killing 1 PC/round 75% of the time or more.  The poor wizard only makes it if the giant rolls a 1 in its attack on her.</blockquote>

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