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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6142138" data-attributes="member: 22779">Actually, you required ambidexterity to use weapons of equal length.&nbsp; So, no, you didn't need that.But, my point is, I didn't even need a strength bonus to kill the troll.&nbsp; Your example needs a 17 strength and two confirmed crits from x3 crit weapons and max damage on six die rolls and the troll STILL isn't dead.&nbsp; It still takes two rounds to kill the troll.&nbsp; I just needed to hit three times and I can potentially kill an average troll.&nbsp; Is that a stark enough difference?I would point out that the second round is STILL one round.&nbsp; The troll goes from full hit points to dead in one round.&nbsp; I remember playing 2e as a DM and having to max out the hit points of every monster just to make them last more than a round or two.&nbsp; That's kinda my point though.&nbsp; This is a first level character.&nbsp; A troll is one of the larger monsters in 2e.&nbsp; It's not like 3e where a troll is a low level opponent meant for 4-6th level parties.&nbsp; Going through the MM, a troll is one of the bigger monsters in 2e.&nbsp; It's certainly not meant to be a 1st level monster.As far as 18 Str fighters go, I never, ever saw a fighter played that didn't have an 18 strength.&nbsp; Not once.&nbsp; I'm sure it happened in other groups, but, it never happened in any group I played in.&nbsp; I'm pretty sure there was lots of fudging of die rolls going on.&nbsp; I know that there was.&nbsp; But, it was pretty common, IME.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6142138, member: 22779"] Actually, you required ambidexterity to use weapons of equal length. So, no, you didn't need that. But, my point is, I didn't even need a strength bonus to kill the troll. Your example needs a 17 strength and two confirmed crits from x3 crit weapons and max damage on six die rolls and the troll STILL isn't dead. It still takes two rounds to kill the troll. I just needed to hit three times and I can potentially kill an average troll. Is that a stark enough difference? I would point out that the second round is STILL one round. The troll goes from full hit points to dead in one round. I remember playing 2e as a DM and having to max out the hit points of every monster just to make them last more than a round or two. That's kinda my point though. This is a first level character. A troll is one of the larger monsters in 2e. It's not like 3e where a troll is a low level opponent meant for 4-6th level parties. Going through the MM, a troll is one of the bigger monsters in 2e. It's certainly not meant to be a 1st level monster. As far as 18 Str fighters go, I never, ever saw a fighter played that didn't have an 18 strength. Not once. I'm sure it happened in other groups, but, it never happened in any group I played in. I'm pretty sure there was lots of fudging of die rolls going on. I know that there was. But, it was pretty common, IME. [/QUOTE]

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