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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 6142221" data-attributes="member: 1266">How do you get these numbers?Longsword vs L does 1d12 - ave 6.5Specialization adds +2 dam for an average of 8.5 - round up to 9Short Sword vs L does 1d8 - ave 4.5 - round up to 5Two weapon fighting from Complete Fighter reduces penalties, doesn't eliminate them, so you off hand is at -2 to Attack. He needs a 17 Dex to reduce the penalties to 0 for both hands.With a THAC0 of 20 vs a Trolls AC 4 the fighter (before any STR Bonus) only hits on a 15 with the longsword and an 18 with the short sword - if both hit he only does 14 points damage and on round two 23 more. Of course the troll has regenerated 3 so he just barely takes him out.However, between round 1 and 2 the troll (who hits our Splintmail wearing fighter on a 9 or better) has done 14 points to the L1 Fighter who has at most 14 hit points (if the fighter has an 18 Con).Also, in the second round the Troll attacks between the fighters Longsword attacks so the troll gets another full set of attacks before the final sword blow.With an 18 STR, 50% of the time the bonus to Att/Dam is +1/+3. With a THAC0 of 20 vs a Trolls AC 4 the fighter now only hits on a 14 with the longsword and an 17 with the short sword. If all attacks hit he does do 20 points the first round and 32 points the second. Bump that STR to 18(00) [something I've only seen rolled legitimately 1 time in all the years we played 1st & 2nd edition] and he hits on an 12 and 15 respectively - hardly Pinata party time - doing an impressive 26 and 35 points damage in rounds 1 and 2 respectively. Yes, that's a lot of damage - but he's still dead before the 2nd round.Yes the fighter is capable of taking out a troll at 1st level, it's just highly unlikely. What makes these conversations so difficult is people taking extreme positions.</blockquote>

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