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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6142456" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Virtually all monsters. If you compare pretty much any stock monster in 2e with it's 3e counterpart the 3e monster has about twice as many hit points and deals about three times as much damage. Given 3e's balancing design where a given monster of a given CR is meant to be a moderate challenge for that level of a group of four PC's, it makes sense. </p><p></p><p>2e is based on 1e where you didn't design that way. Creatures weren't really designed in that fashion but in a much more organic, "Well, an ogre is bigger than an orc but smaller than a troll, so he gets 4 HD while the hill giant gets 8" sort of way. </p><p></p><p>If you want a very stark example of this, do a 1:1 conversion of 2e or 1e modules into 3e and watch the level expectations double or even triple. The first Against the Giants in 1e is a 5-7th level module. If you do a 1:1 conversion, it's about 14th. Same with pretty much any 2e to 3e module, simply because the monsters are so much bigger.</p><p></p><p>Like I said earlier, a troll is a defeatable opponent for a 1st level 2e party. They might lose a PC or two, but, the troll is going down. A 1st level 3e party is a TPK. A 3e troll can do 55 points of damage in a single round (max damage without crits).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6142456, member: 22779"] Virtually all monsters. If you compare pretty much any stock monster in 2e with it's 3e counterpart the 3e monster has about twice as many hit points and deals about three times as much damage. Given 3e's balancing design where a given monster of a given CR is meant to be a moderate challenge for that level of a group of four PC's, it makes sense. 2e is based on 1e where you didn't design that way. Creatures weren't really designed in that fashion but in a much more organic, "Well, an ogre is bigger than an orc but smaller than a troll, so he gets 4 HD while the hill giant gets 8" sort of way. If you want a very stark example of this, do a 1:1 conversion of 2e or 1e modules into 3e and watch the level expectations double or even triple. The first Against the Giants in 1e is a 5-7th level module. If you do a 1:1 conversion, it's about 14th. Same with pretty much any 2e to 3e module, simply because the monsters are so much bigger. Like I said earlier, a troll is a defeatable opponent for a 1st level 2e party. They might lose a PC or two, but, the troll is going down. A 1st level 3e party is a TPK. A 3e troll can do 55 points of damage in a single round (max damage without crits). [/QUOTE]
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