Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
AD&D First Edition inferior?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 390054" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Ahhh, what a great thread hijack.</p><p></p><p>Are they? First, I do not believe it is sexist to suggest that men are stronger than women.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, since CON also represents resistance to physical damage and injury, there is not a strong correlation to superior CON in women. I'm not sure what documentation you refer to, but I'm not convinced that women are more resistant to disease than men, but rather I suspect that reduced incidence of disease might well have to do women's superior tending of their own bodies (which is something I do know has been documented). For instance, married men outlive single men for the reason of having superior daily 'care'. Men just don't seem to think of these things and tend to (at least I tend to) treat my body as if it were indestructible and forget even to feed myself if not reminded by something.</p><p></p><p>I certainly don't think that women have a higher resistance to poison than men, since poison resistance generally related directly to body mass as much as anything else.</p><p></p><p>Thirdly, current average female lifespan in 1st world countries averages about 2 years longer in women than in men. This is a reverse of the historical average, primarily because so fewer women die in childbirth thanks to modern medicine. However, if you want to add two years to average lifespan and then do some math to work out how health care and average number of preganancies effects female lifespan in various cultures, be my guest. I'd actually like to see that, though I doubt many people would bother to make use of it.</p><p></p><p>To be frank, I don't think that there is clear evidence for some gaming advantage possessed by women that makes up for thier reduced strength, and that in general gaming systems are very generous in not imposing as much sexual dimorphism upon fantasy characters as actually exists in real life. If you wanted to be 'realistic' about it, females get lower body mass, lower daily food requirements, the ability to reproduce, and lower maximum strength for any given body mass. The evidence for anything else is scant. But this is fantasy, so who cares. </p><p></p><p>I'd personally be willing to give all females characters that wanted it -4 STR, +2 WIS, +2 CHR, not because I think that there is strong evidence for higher female wisdom and charisma, but that there is some sense in which we are willing to accept that women are wiser and more attractive than men. I call this the 'Fairer Sex' trait, and you can take it for free. However, just like the assertion that women are hardier than men, attractive as it seems, the assertion that women are more charasmatic than men tends to break down when we look at the broad picture of what charisma means.</p><p></p><p>But by no means is belief in 'equality' between the sexes the result of some sort of equal trade between gamable attributes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 390054, member: 4937"] Ahhh, what a great thread hijack. Are they? First, I do not believe it is sexist to suggest that men are stronger than women. Secondly, since CON also represents resistance to physical damage and injury, there is not a strong correlation to superior CON in women. I'm not sure what documentation you refer to, but I'm not convinced that women are more resistant to disease than men, but rather I suspect that reduced incidence of disease might well have to do women's superior tending of their own bodies (which is something I do know has been documented). For instance, married men outlive single men for the reason of having superior daily 'care'. Men just don't seem to think of these things and tend to (at least I tend to) treat my body as if it were indestructible and forget even to feed myself if not reminded by something. I certainly don't think that women have a higher resistance to poison than men, since poison resistance generally related directly to body mass as much as anything else. Thirdly, current average female lifespan in 1st world countries averages about 2 years longer in women than in men. This is a reverse of the historical average, primarily because so fewer women die in childbirth thanks to modern medicine. However, if you want to add two years to average lifespan and then do some math to work out how health care and average number of preganancies effects female lifespan in various cultures, be my guest. I'd actually like to see that, though I doubt many people would bother to make use of it. To be frank, I don't think that there is clear evidence for some gaming advantage possessed by women that makes up for thier reduced strength, and that in general gaming systems are very generous in not imposing as much sexual dimorphism upon fantasy characters as actually exists in real life. If you wanted to be 'realistic' about it, females get lower body mass, lower daily food requirements, the ability to reproduce, and lower maximum strength for any given body mass. The evidence for anything else is scant. But this is fantasy, so who cares. I'd personally be willing to give all females characters that wanted it -4 STR, +2 WIS, +2 CHR, not because I think that there is strong evidence for higher female wisdom and charisma, but that there is some sense in which we are willing to accept that women are wiser and more attractive than men. I call this the 'Fairer Sex' trait, and you can take it for free. However, just like the assertion that women are hardier than men, attractive as it seems, the assertion that women are more charasmatic than men tends to break down when we look at the broad picture of what charisma means. But by no means is belief in 'equality' between the sexes the result of some sort of equal trade between gamable attributes. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
AD&D First Edition inferior?
Top