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<blockquote data-quote="Thorvald Kviksverd" data-source="post: 392101" data-attributes="member: 1495"><p>Hmmm...</p><p></p><p>Got me wondering just what exactly he would be losing.</p><p></p><p>Let's see...</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">Fighter 4 / Magic-User 4</span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> HPs: 16</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> THACO: 18</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> Armour: Any</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> Spells: 3-1st / 2-2nd</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> Saves: 13 / 13 / 11 / 15 / 12</span></li> </ul><p>Fighter 5</span></p><p><span style="color: red"> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> HPs: 27.5</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> THACO: 16</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> Armour: Any</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> Spells: None</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> Saves: 11 / 12 / 13 / 13 /14</span></li> </ul><p>Magic-User 5</span></p><p><span style="color: red"> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> HPs: 12.5</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> THACO: 20</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> Armour: None</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> Spells: 4-1st / 2-2nd / 1-3rd</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red"> Saves: 14 / 13 / 11 / 15 / 12</span></li> </ul><p>I won't pretend that they're all equal in ability (though I don't know how you could measure that--so much of it being situation dependant), but I really don't think he is nearly doubling his ability by multi-classing. There are trade-offs involved--just as in 3e.</p><p></p><p>It may even be more beneficial to multi-class in AD&D than in 3e--at least at first blush--but remember, Demi-Humans have an upper limit on advancement in most cases, and the allowable combinations are much more restricted. I think these latter two points largely mitigate whatever advantages they may enjoy <em>vis-a-vis</em> Humans when it comes to their ability to multi-class--Of course it is probably <em>always</em> better for a Demi-Human to multi-class given these advancement limits (leaving aside Thieves, or any other class they may be allowed unlimited advancement in). I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing however, it's more of a flavor issue, and helps to differentiate them further from Humans. Interestingly, many of my Demi-Humans tend to be single-classed nonetheless--especially my Dwarves.</p><p></p><p>Ah well, enough typing for now <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thorvald Kviksverd, post: 392101, member: 1495"] Hmmm... Got me wondering just what exactly he would be losing. Let's see... [color=red]Fighter 4 / Magic-User 4 [list][*] HPs: 16[*] THACO: 18[*] Armour: Any[*] Spells: 3-1st / 2-2nd[*] Saves: 13 / 13 / 11 / 15 / 12[/list] Fighter 5 [list][*] HPs: 27.5[*] THACO: 16[*] Armour: Any[*] Spells: None[*] Saves: 11 / 12 / 13 / 13 /14[/list] Magic-User 5 [list][*] HPs: 12.5[*] THACO: 20[*] Armour: None[*] Spells: 4-1st / 2-2nd / 1-3rd[*] Saves: 14 / 13 / 11 / 15 / 12[/list][/color] I won't pretend that they're all equal in ability (though I don't know how you could measure that--so much of it being situation dependant), but I really don't think he is nearly doubling his ability by multi-classing. There are trade-offs involved--just as in 3e. It may even be more beneficial to multi-class in AD&D than in 3e--at least at first blush--but remember, Demi-Humans have an upper limit on advancement in most cases, and the allowable combinations are much more restricted. I think these latter two points largely mitigate whatever advantages they may enjoy [i]vis-a-vis[/i] Humans when it comes to their ability to multi-class--Of course it is probably [i]always[/i] better for a Demi-Human to multi-class given these advancement limits (leaving aside Thieves, or any other class they may be allowed unlimited advancement in). I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing however, it's more of a flavor issue, and helps to differentiate them further from Humans. Interestingly, many of my Demi-Humans tend to be single-classed nonetheless--especially my Dwarves. Ah well, enough typing for now :) [/QUOTE]
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