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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8261782" data-attributes="member: 7023840">Again, 1e rules (pre-UA). The elf doesn't make it to 18th level. Ever. 11th level cap. Even if they raise their natural strength to 18 with wishes (can't be magic items like gauntlets), they have a 7th level cap of fighter. Now, let's say that you use the optional and OP rules in UA. First, wash out your eyes with bleach- you'll thank me later. Second, pick up all the pages from floor where they fall because the UA binding was the worst ever; seriously, why not just sell it as loose-leaf?Still with me? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Your 19 intelligence MU Gray Elf was capped at level 12. 14 if single-classed. But then you can't be a fighter. Raising you strength to 18 gives you a 6 cap in fighter under UA- you'd need to get to at lest 18/75 or higher to get to even level 7. The long and the short of it is that, pre-UA, TWF wasn't really an advantage. There were a few edge cases, and higher-level fighters (human) could certainly benefit. It was only with the advent of (optional) specialization in UA that certain synergies began to form.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8261782, member: 7023840"] Again, 1e rules (pre-UA). The elf doesn't make it to 18th level. Ever. [U]11th level cap.[/U] Even if they raise their natural strength to 18 with wishes (can't be magic items like gauntlets), they have a 7th level cap of fighter. Now, let's say that you use the optional and OP rules in UA. First, wash out your eyes with bleach- you'll thank me later. Second, pick up all the pages from floor where they fall because the UA binding was the worst ever; seriously, why not just sell it as loose-leaf? Still with me? :) Your 19 intelligence MU Gray Elf was capped at level 12. 14 if single-classed. But then you can't be a fighter. Raising you strength to 18 gives you a 6 cap in fighter under UA- you'd need to get to at lest 18/75 or higher to get to even level 7. The long and the short of it is that, pre-UA, TWF wasn't really an advantage. There were a few edge cases, and higher-level fighters (human) could certainly benefit. It was only with the advent of (optional) specialization in UA that certain synergies began to form. [/QUOTE]

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