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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5707704" data-attributes="member: 92305">From the point of view of someone who stuck with 2E AD&D when 3E came out, I tend to agree.  I remember that I felt like almost everyone was adopting 3E, leaving 2E behind, and here was just this small contingent of stubborn 2E AD&Ders who wouldn't budge--but they were definitely the minority. Then OGL and SRD hit, and it seemed like the entire world blew up with 3E compatible games.  The d20 system DOMINATED the market.  It didn't matter which game you played, there was usually a d20 version of it.  The small fry publishers would either release their games straignt to d20 or have a dual set of rules.  Games like Fading Suns and Blue Planet were released in two versions, the house version and the d20 version.  If a new game title sprang on the market, chances are it was a d20 game. As far as fantasy gaming went, you could spend your entire gaming career playing a d20 game and never buy a WotC product.  Entire game universes were available, like the Conan RPG, that used the d20 rules but did not require you to have any D&D product. So, yeah, there was a huge acceptance of 3E back in the day, and it dwarfed the acceptance of 4E. 4E came out, and games like Conan remain with the 3.5E system instead of converting over.  And, Pathfinder takes a huge chunk of the market for those who want to stick with a 3.5E style game. That just didn't happen when 3E came out.  There was no massive adherence to 2E, even with the Retro Clone games--they've remained niche markets. It's hard to ignore the fact that 3E was quite dominate in the market when it came out. And as to the OP, I don't agree that there were as many 3E haters as there are 4E haters when either game came out. Just look to the fact that, just after three years of 4E's release, they're already working on 5E.  It doesn't look like WotC is going to ride on a decade of 4E's success the way it did with 3E.  They're already moving on to another version of the rules.</blockquote>

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