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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1721613" data-attributes="member: 1656">Bear in mind that by this reading, you still can't gain full Str bonus if you are retaining your bonus to AC via the Improved Shield Bash feat.You can either attack with the shield in your primary hand; or you can bash with the shield, treating it as an off-hand weapon.&nbsp; You only get to retain your shield bonus to AC while bashing, not during any other use of the shield as a weapon.Likewise, if you are using the Bashing special ability to treat the shield as a +1 weapon, that only applies 'when used to bash', so you can only apply 1/2 Str bonus to damage if you are benefiting from the special ability.It's also worth noting for the 3E players that this debate only exists in 3.5; in 3E, shields are not listed on the weapon tables, so the only way they can be used to attack is via the bashing rules.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1721613, member: 1656"] Bear in mind that by this reading, you still can't gain full Str bonus if you are retaining your bonus to AC via the Improved Shield Bash feat. You can either attack with the shield in your primary hand; or you can bash with the shield, treating it as an off-hand weapon. You only get to retain your shield bonus to AC while bashing, not during any other use of the shield as a weapon. Likewise, if you are using the Bashing special ability to treat the shield as a +1 weapon, that only applies 'when used to bash', so you can only apply 1/2 Str bonus to damage if you are benefiting from the special ability. It's also worth noting for the 3E players that this debate only exists in 3.5; in 3E, shields are [i]not[/i] listed on the weapon tables, so the only way they can be used to attack is via the bashing rules. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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