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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1723458" data-attributes="member: 1656">If an attack with a shield is always a shield bash, then it is always treated as an off-hand weapon.This is a rule for shield bashing.&nbsp; It states under the heading &quot;Shield Bash Attacks&quot; that is is used &quot;as an off-hand weapon&quot;.They're both true, but 2 is a general rule, not a specific restriction.&nbsp; Note that the description for scimitar does not state &quot;A scimitar may be used to attack an opponent, using it as an off-hand weapon&quot;.&nbsp; It simply inherits the general rule for a one-handed weapon.The shield, on the other hand, has a specific section stating how a shield bash works - namely, that it is used as an off-hand weapon.That's right.&nbsp; And it can be used to bash... using it as an off-hand weapon.&nbsp; So when you use it as an off-hand weapon, it is considered a martial weapon.&nbsp; If you're not using it as an off-hand weapon, you're not bashing, and therefore it is not treated as a martial weapon.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1723458, member: 1656"] If an attack with a shield is always a shield bash, then it is always treated as an off-hand weapon. This is a rule for shield bashing. It states under the heading "Shield Bash Attacks" that is is used "as an off-hand weapon". They're both true, but 2 is a general rule, not a specific restriction. Note that the description for scimitar does not state "A scimitar may be used to attack an opponent, using it as an off-hand weapon". It simply inherits the general rule for a one-handed weapon. The shield, on the other hand, has a specific section stating how a shield bash works - namely, that it is used as an off-hand weapon. That's right. And it can be used to bash... using it as an off-hand weapon. So when you use it as an off-hand weapon, it is considered a martial weapon. If you're not using it as an off-hand weapon, you're not bashing, and therefore it is not treated as a martial weapon. [/QUOTE]

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