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<blockquote data-quote="Kraedin" data-source="post: 228200" data-attributes="member: 1691">I've decided just to reiterate my points, and abandon this thread.&nbsp; My rules quotes for the following statements can be seen in my previous posts.1)From the description of the Adamantine Battleaxe, Dagger, and Breastplate in the DMG, you can infer from the wording of natural +X enhancement bonus (which appears 4 times in the DMG) that adamantine indeed gives an enhancement bonus, and the &quot;natural&quot; simply refers to the source.&nbsp; I.e., it is a enhancement bonus natural to the material, not a bonus of the type &quot;natural enhancement&quot;.2)The requirements for sundering, beating DR, and adding weapon special abilites requires an enhancement bonus.&nbsp; It should be noted that the most common refutation of this is the &quot;usually a magic weapon&quot; clause in the DR special ability descritipion in the DMG, please take note that it does say &quot;usually&quot;.Conclusions:&nbsp; If an adamantine indeed has an enhancement bonus, as I belive it does, then it does work for sundering, DR, and special weapon abilities.If it has a &quot;natural enhancement&quot; bonus, as others contend, then it does not work for sundering, DR, or special weapon abilities.&nbsp; On the other hand, this interpretation allows for +11 weapons and +12 armor (effectivly), so adamantine still has it's uses, and is not &quot;worthless&quot;, as I have heard some people claim.The Sage's ruling, that adamantine can sunder weapons, but cannot beat DR, I consider a rule-0, with no grounds in the offical rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kraedin, post: 228200, member: 1691"] I've decided just to reiterate my points, and abandon this thread. My rules quotes for the following statements can be seen in my previous posts. 1)From the description of the Adamantine Battleaxe, Dagger, and Breastplate in the DMG, you can infer from the wording of [i]natural +X enhancement bonus[/i] (which appears 4 times in the DMG) that adamantine indeed gives an enhancement bonus, and the "natural" simply refers to the source. I.e., it is a enhancement bonus natural to the material, not a bonus of the type "natural enhancement". 2)The requirements for sundering, beating DR, and adding weapon special abilites requires an enhancement bonus. It should be noted that the most common refutation of this is the "usually a magic weapon" clause in the DR special ability descritipion in the DMG, please take note that it does say "usually". Conclusions: If an adamantine indeed has an enhancement bonus, as I belive it does, then it does work for sundering, DR, and special weapon abilities. If it has a "natural enhancement" bonus, as others contend, then it does not work for sundering, DR, or special weapon abilities. On the other hand, this interpretation allows for +11 weapons and +12 armor (effectivly), so adamantine still has it's uses, and is not "worthless", as I have heard some people claim. The Sage's ruling, that adamantine can sunder weapons, but cannot beat DR, I consider a rule-0, with no grounds in the offical rules. [/QUOTE]

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