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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lurker37" data-source="post: 3864574" data-attributes="member: 9522">Bingo.My largest and most regular gaming group consists of a dozen people ranging in age from 15 to 50. They cut their teeth on Elric and Earthdawn over a decade ago (yes, not all the current group played back then), in campaigns that each spanned 5+ years. D20 leaves them cold. We've tried D&D and various D20 games - none of them lasted more than a handful of sessions, even when they were really taken by the setting.The strongest complaint? The magic system. (A close second was per-day character abilities.) It just didn't fly with this group, at all. As a result, they no longer have any interest in playing D20.If 4e changes that, then I for one would certainly regard it as a good thing.</blockquote>