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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Twowolves" data-source="post: 3868216" data-attributes="member: 18093">Well, I don't consider adding a template or advancing by class or HD "finagling", and "a lot" of rules is relevant. I see what you are saying, but my point was one where the new edition seems to want to sacrifice flexibility for ease of use. I am ok with that, for some game systems. I think that's just fine for more pulpy or action-theater style games. I just don't think it's what I would want in D&D. But that's just me, I guess.Each type of monster in 3.5 is already a "class", and you can add character classes to that to further customize it. Only they made the monster classes "outsider" or "undead". To my mind, having a fighter-equivalent monster box that gives the same abilities across the board no matter if the monster is a demon, an elemental or an ooze seems to strip some flavor from the monsters, especially since one can already just add fighter levels to many of the critters in the book (or advance by HD if not).Except that the designers already just give whatever abilities they want to a monster. I was very impressed with the forethought that went into designing the 3rd ed monsters. They made a framework/system and then made the critters within that system, whereas before they just made a monster and threw it out there. To me, taking an "8HD Buiser" and then pondering what special abilities to give it is potentially less balanced than taking a monster and advancing it or templating it. I'm sure the current developers have put a lot of thought into the new monster system, and I haven't seen enough to judge yet, but I'm not thrilled by what I've seen so far.I understand that the Challenge Rating system is really more of a guideline than a science, it still seems more thought out than picking a beastie from a box and then sticking abilities on it like some kind of Mr Potato Head. My opinion is that the game is better balanced when the NPCs use the same rules as the PCs.</blockquote>

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