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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 2322688" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>I basically agree with Afrodyte's assessment, having read the Silmarillion recently. A Str boost doesn't fit the Noldor so well as an Int boost or a higher Dex boost. Really, I think Middle Earth elves are more graceful than a mere +2 Dex. There's nothing wrong with the Dunedain's +2 Cha instead of a bonus feat, because humans are already one of the weaker Core races in D&D. There's nothing wrong with ability bonuses of +4 or higher when you're dealing with Level Adjustments, I don't see what Bront dislikes about it (several humanoids in the 3.5 Core Rules, and in 3.0 Savage Species, have a +1 Level Adjustment along with some ability scores at +4 or higher).</p><p></p><p>Elves of Middle Earth do sleep, I think, but they are probably lighter sleepers than humans (maybe they only need to sleep 4 or 6 hours instead of 8). Also, your description of their immunities seems to imply that they are immune to all Enchantment effects? Or is it supposed to be immunity to all sleep enchantments? I would not give them immunity to Enchantment effects in general, definitely not. The Enemy was able to tempt and influence the First children of Iluvatar even before the coming of Men, the Followers. And the One Ring certainly held the power to influence the thoughts of elves, yet it was a mere creation of Sauron, the second Enemy and apprentice to the first. Elves may deserve a +2 racial bonus on Will saves perhaps, but that's all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 2322688, member: 13966"] I basically agree with Afrodyte's assessment, having read the Silmarillion recently. A Str boost doesn't fit the Noldor so well as an Int boost or a higher Dex boost. Really, I think Middle Earth elves are more graceful than a mere +2 Dex. There's nothing wrong with the Dunedain's +2 Cha instead of a bonus feat, because humans are already one of the weaker Core races in D&D. There's nothing wrong with ability bonuses of +4 or higher when you're dealing with Level Adjustments, I don't see what Bront dislikes about it (several humanoids in the 3.5 Core Rules, and in 3.0 Savage Species, have a +1 Level Adjustment along with some ability scores at +4 or higher). Elves of Middle Earth do sleep, I think, but they are probably lighter sleepers than humans (maybe they only need to sleep 4 or 6 hours instead of 8). Also, your description of their immunities seems to imply that they are immune to all Enchantment effects? Or is it supposed to be immunity to all sleep enchantments? I would not give them immunity to Enchantment effects in general, definitely not. The Enemy was able to tempt and influence the First children of Iluvatar even before the coming of Men, the Followers. And the One Ring certainly held the power to influence the thoughts of elves, yet it was a mere creation of Sauron, the second Enemy and apprentice to the first. Elves may deserve a +2 racial bonus on Will saves perhaps, but that's all. [/QUOTE]
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