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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 4546928" data-attributes="member: 16285">Yup - in your game you can do whatever you all agree is best. Per RAW - you can't carry anything over.PHB pg 58&quot;Going up a level provides the character with several immediate benefits.&quot; {then the list of what happens - 1st thing is choose a class, then so on. . .}DMG pg 197&quot;According to the rules in the PHB, characters pick up new skills and feats as they go up in levles.&quot; {It then gives the &quot;optional training rules.}{edit}I stazrted thinking on this one again and still keep coming up with the same conclusion - it is flat out wrong.Essentially what happened was (by reading the OPs posts):level 12 swordsage (who has been holding on to his skill points since leveling up) - gets &quot;inflicted&quot;.Gains 2 HD (and +2 LA) - then spends (after year of game time {not real time}) his level 12 swordsage skill points (and probably his 2 monster HD level's worth too).So essentially the rules have been violated since the character gained 2 levels at once. The level 12 swordsage and the monster level (which in this case is a sudden 2 HD gain).The rules say this can't happen.If you spent your swordsage skill points on control shape skill. It is not a class skill until after you gain the template (i.e., have advanced 2 HD of levels as a monster). Since skill points are always spent at the rate of the class that earned them - in this case it would at a minimum cost you 2 sp per rank since it cannot be a class skill yet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 4546928, member: 16285"] Yup - in your game you can do whatever you all agree is best. Per RAW - you can't carry anything over. PHB pg 58 "Going up a level provides the character with several immediate benefits." {then the list of what happens - 1st thing is choose a class, then so on. . .} DMG pg 197 "According to the rules in the PHB, characters pick up new skills and feats as they go up in levles." {It then gives the "optional training rules.} {edit} I stazrted thinking on this one again and still keep coming up with the same conclusion - it is flat out wrong. Essentially what happened was (by reading the OPs posts): level 12 swordsage (who has been holding on to his skill points since leveling up) - gets "inflicted". Gains 2 HD (and +2 LA) - then spends (after year of game time {not real time}) his level 12 swordsage skill points (and probably his 2 monster HD level's worth too). So essentially the rules have been violated since the character gained 2 levels at once. The level 12 swordsage and the monster level (which in this case is a sudden 2 HD gain). The rules say this can't happen. If you spent your swordsage skill points on control shape skill. It is not a class skill until after you gain the template (i.e., have advanced 2 HD of levels as a monster). Since skill points are always spent at the rate of the class that earned them - in this case it would at a minimum cost you 2 sp per rank since it cannot be a class skill yet. [/QUOTE]

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