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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 6990103"><p>A PCs strength comes from it's ability synergy with other classes and ability utility. Some classes are <em>still</em> superior to others. IE: 5 level 5 Clerics are going to be superior to 5 level 5 Fighters due to their versatility and synergy with each other. </p><p></p><p>On average, I typically treat 1 class level as +1/2 CR. However, this is an <em>average</em> usually based on the obvious fact that certain class levels provide greater features than others. Adding one level of Fighter to a Kobold will not, IMO add +1/2 CR, however adding 6 levels of Fighter to a Kobold dramatically increases it's challenge (extra attacks, way more HP, fighting styles, etc...) the same is applicable to the rest of the classes. Is a 20th level human a CR 10? Probably more like a CR 12, depending on the class and the base race and how well the DM plays it. It's not an exact science (which is why CR <strong>NEVER</strong> should have been brought back in the first place!). </p><p></p><p>But still, I find a +1/2 CR to be <em>on average</em> the appropriate challenge increase at least for adding levels 3-10 (which is where, IMO, we need more "regular" enemies). I've only ever added 20 class levels to a monster and that was when I created my Dragon Lords, which I thoroughly terrified my party with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 6990103"] A PCs strength comes from it's ability synergy with other classes and ability utility. Some classes are [I]still[/I] superior to others. IE: 5 level 5 Clerics are going to be superior to 5 level 5 Fighters due to their versatility and synergy with each other. On average, I typically treat 1 class level as +1/2 CR. However, this is an [I]average[/I] usually based on the obvious fact that certain class levels provide greater features than others. Adding one level of Fighter to a Kobold will not, IMO add +1/2 CR, however adding 6 levels of Fighter to a Kobold dramatically increases it's challenge (extra attacks, way more HP, fighting styles, etc...) the same is applicable to the rest of the classes. Is a 20th level human a CR 10? Probably more like a CR 12, depending on the class and the base race and how well the DM plays it. It's not an exact science (which is why CR [B]NEVER[/B] should have been brought back in the first place!). But still, I find a +1/2 CR to be [I]on average[/I] the appropriate challenge increase at least for adding levels 3-10 (which is where, IMO, we need more "regular" enemies). I've only ever added 20 class levels to a monster and that was when I created my Dragon Lords, which I thoroughly terrified my party with. [/QUOTE]
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